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Ford Fe C4SE 4V intake vs S code...how is the s code better?

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Well we're trying to seal up our old 390 ft mount in the 64, and my dad always wonderd why the s code is sought after, when the C4SE manifold has bigger pirts, and matches the c6r heads perfectly..whats the difference? He had one but needed to move and had to sell it, but didnt really mind as this c4se intake seemed clearly better..but maybe were wrong..whats so good about the S code intake?
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1964 f100 lwb 292 ECG Heads,4v, 4spd, '76 9" 3.25, orig. :292 3spdO/D, 3.92 spicer locker
19mpg hwy, .040/298ci, arnd 8.7:1, ECG heads, stainless valves, ceramic coated ramshorn manifolds, B code int., eddy 4bbl, Durasprk II/C5ZF dizzy, C2AE rods,high ratio rockers, NOS two groove h.balancer, unkwn cam-for now :twisted: soon:pwr asst steering
was FE/FT, mount:390, C6R heads, C4ae int, w/ 361/391 FT Bellhous.,timing cover, & w. pump.
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Re: Ford Fe C4SE 4V intake vs S code...how is the s code bet

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As far as my understanding, there is no performance benefit, The S intake was just on GT 390 and the restorers need it as such. I am on many FE forums and nobody wants them except for a resto or 2 . I would personally pick up any aftermarket aluminum manifold and use it anytime if performance is the objective
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CHOPPERS wrote:As far as my understanding, there is no performance benefit, The S intake was just on GT 390 and the restorers need it as such. I am on many FE forums and nobody wants them except for a resto or 2 . I would personally pick up any aftermarket aluminum manifold and use it anytime if performance is the objective
Ok, if i wasnt building a y block I may have done it already ya I hve just heard alot of people braging "oh look its an s.code intake" like its really somthing for any build. But that dousnt mean anything, so how far up the in lntake food chain is my C4SE intake as far as being a good stock performance intake?
1964 f100 lwb 292 ECG Heads,4v, 4spd, '76 9" 3.25, orig. :292 3spdO/D, 3.92 spicer locker
19mpg hwy, .040/298ci, arnd 8.7:1, ECG heads, stainless valves, ceramic coated ramshorn manifolds, B code int., eddy 4bbl, Durasprk II/C5ZF dizzy, C2AE rods,high ratio rockers, NOS two groove h.balancer, unkwn cam-for now :twisted: soon:pwr asst steering
was FE/FT, mount:390, C6R heads, C4ae int, w/ 361/391 FT Bellhous.,timing cover, & w. pump.
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aj64f100390-292 wrote:
CHOPPERS wrote:As far as my understanding, there is no performance benefit, The S intake was just on GT 390 and the restorers need it as such. I am on many FE forums and nobody wants them except for a resto or 2 . I would personally pick up any aftermarket aluminum manifold and use it anytime if performance is the objective
Ok, if i wasnt building a y block I may have done it already ya I hve just heard alot of people braging "oh look its an s.code intake" like its really somthing for any build. But that dousnt mean anything, so how far up the in lntake food chain is my C4SE intake as far as being a good stock performance intake?
I have ran both personly on two different builds/trucks. In my opinion the C6AE-G is a very good street intake for a 390 truck. Running a 272S cam and a Street Master my 65 F250 390/401 was strong after 2500 till 5800 rpm. It was not practical as a 3/4 ton though. Too soft moving a trailer below 2200. I swapped the Street Master and Holley 750 for a C6AE-G (S) intake and a 1968 600 Holley GT carburetor. Although it choked top end down to around 5500+ max it improved everywhere else. It is an excelent intake for a 390 428 3/4 pickup.

My first performance engine was a 63?64 solid lifter 390 with undrilled cross bolt bosses in my 65 F100. It had C3AE-C heads and a C4SE intake. Being my first real hot rod I didn't have anything to really compare. Now I am sure I left a lot of power on the table in my learning curve so I can't say how well it worked vs any other manifold. As far as I know CHOPPERS is right about a correct restoration piece. What I can say is with a spreadbore Motorcraft carburetor on an adapter with a C4SE you can twist a standard bore/stroke 390 to 6200 rpm for at least 10 miles but with only 5 qts in the pan it WILL suck the pan dry and scorch the bearings leaving holes in the block. That learning curve cost me a fairly rare engine.

THE GREAT FE INTAKE COMPARO says:

428 410HP -

C6AE-G (S) =
469 tq @ 3400
355.2 hp @ 4500

C4SE =
473.4 tq @ 3500
374.4 hp @ 5300
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Re: Ford Fe C4SE 4V intake vs S code...how is the s code bet

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chris401 wrote:
aj64f100390-292 wrote:
CHOPPERS wrote:As far as my understanding, there is no performance benefit, The S intake was just on GT 390 and the restorers need it as such. I am on many FE forums and nobody wants them except for a resto or 2 . I would personally pick up any aftermarket aluminum manifold and use it anytime if performance is the objective
Ok, if i wasnt building a y block I may have done it already ya I hve just heard alot of people braging "oh look its an s.code intake" like its really somthing for any build. But that dousnt mean anything, so how far up the in lntake food chain is my C4SE intake as far as being a good stock performance intake?
I have ran both personly on two different builds/trucks. In my opinion the C6AE-G is a very good street intake for a 390 truck. Running a 272S cam and a Street Master my 65 F250 390/401 was strong after 2500 till 5800 rpm. It was not practical as a 3/4 ton though. Too soft moving a trailer below 2200. I swapped the Street Master and Holley 750 for a C6AE-G (S) intake and a 1968 600 Holley GT carburetor. Although it choked top end down to around 5500+ max it improved everywhere else. It is an excelent intake for a 390 428 3/4 pickup.

My first performance engine was a 63?64 solid lifter 390 with undrilled cross bolt bosses in my 65 F100. It had C3AE-C heads and a C4SE intake. Being my first real hot rod I didn't have anything to really compare. Now I am sure I left a lot of power on the table in my learning curve so I can't say how well it worked vs any other manifold. As far as I know CHOPPERS is right about a correct restoration piece. What I can say is with a spreadbore Motorcraft carburetor on an adapter with a C4SE you can twist a standard bore/stroke 390 to 6200 rpm for at least 10 miles but with only 5 qts in the pan it WILL suck the pan dry and scorch the bearings leaving holes in the block. That learning curve cost me a fairly rare engine.

THE GREAT FE INTAKE COMPARO says:

428 410HP -

C6AE-G (S) =
469 tq @ 3400
355.2 hp @ 4500

C4SE =
473.4 tq @ 3500
374.4 hp @ 5300
Sorry to hear about your engine, thanks for posting thise intake specs ,very nice info
1964 f100 lwb 292 ECG Heads,4v, 4spd, '76 9" 3.25, orig. :292 3spdO/D, 3.92 spicer locker
19mpg hwy, .040/298ci, arnd 8.7:1, ECG heads, stainless valves, ceramic coated ramshorn manifolds, B code int., eddy 4bbl, Durasprk II/C5ZF dizzy, C2AE rods,high ratio rockers, NOS two groove h.balancer, unkwn cam-for now :twisted: soon:pwr asst steering
was FE/FT, mount:390, C6R heads, C4ae int, w/ 361/391 FT Bellhous.,timing cover, & w. pump.
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Mine is 'Made in Canada', so..it fits perfectly with my Mercury and my 1964 Meteor.
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wwhite wrote:Mine is 'Made in Canada', so..it fits perfectly with my Mercury and my 1964 Meteor.
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thats awsome, id like to get a murcury pickup one day...as if my 64 didnt stand out enough :lol:
1964 f100 lwb 292 ECG Heads,4v, 4spd, '76 9" 3.25, orig. :292 3spdO/D, 3.92 spicer locker
19mpg hwy, .040/298ci, arnd 8.7:1, ECG heads, stainless valves, ceramic coated ramshorn manifolds, B code int., eddy 4bbl, Durasprk II/C5ZF dizzy, C2AE rods,high ratio rockers, NOS two groove h.balancer, unkwn cam-for now :twisted: soon:pwr asst steering
was FE/FT, mount:390, C6R heads, C4ae int, w/ 361/391 FT Bellhous.,timing cover, & w. pump.
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wwhite wrote:Mine is 'Made in Canada', so..it fits perfectly with my Mercury and my 1964 Meteor.
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Do you know the original application or if the rest of the engine was MADE IN CANADA?

EDIT: Looks like I have been in the dark, I thought the FE era parts were all shipped form Detroit. Where is the foundry located?
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chris401 wrote:Do you know the original application or if the rest of the engine was MADE IN CANADA?
EDIT: Looks like I have been in the dark, I thought the FE era parts were all shipped form Detroit. Where is the foundry located?
From my understanding, the engine was swapped from a '64 comet, but after research, the 'made in canada' intake came on thunderbirds.
I do not have the engine code tag located under the coil, so most is guess work.

I'm still not sure if the engine is a 390, I need to disassemble and measure bore and stroke to be sure.
This car is a 1964 Meteor, Made in Canada one year only.

I'm guessing the foundry was the Oakville plant, but thats just a guess.

I'm trying to get in contact with 'NumberDummy' from ford-trucks.com, has he seems to know alot about these things.
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wwhite wrote:
chris401 wrote:Do you know the original application or if the rest of the engine was MADE IN CANADA?
EDIT: Looks like I have been in the dark, I thought the FE era parts were all shipped form Detroit. Where is the foundry located?
From my understanding, the engine was swapped from a '64 comet, but after research, the 'made in canada' intake came on thunderbirds.
I do not have the engine code tag located under the coil, so most is guess work.

I'm still not sure if the engine is a 390, I need to disassemble and measure bore and stroke to be sure.
This car is a 1964 Meteor, Made in Canada one year only.

I'm guessing the foundry was the Oakville plant, but thats just a guess.

I'm trying to get in contact with 'NumberDummy' from ford-trucks.com, has he seems to know alot about these things.
I asked on fordfe.com and got a couple of answers.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/74182/th ... iew+Thread
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wwhite wrote:
chris401 wrote:Do you know the original application or if the rest of the engine was MADE IN CANADA?
EDIT: Looks like I have been in the dark, I thought the FE era parts were all shipped form Detroit. Where is the foundry located?
From my understanding, the engine was swapped from a '64 comet, but after research, the 'made in canada' intake came on thunderbirds.
I do not have the engine code tag located under the coil, so most is guess work.

I'm still not sure if the engine is a 390, I need to disassemble and measure bore and stroke to be sure.
This car is a 1964 Meteor, Made in Canada one year only.

I'm guessing the foundry was the Oakville plant, but thats just a guess.

I'm trying to get in contact with 'NumberDummy' from ford-trucks.com, has he seems to know alot about these things.
Your engine could be a 410 c.i. as that was a Mercury engine
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Gravemetal wrote:Your engine could be a 410 c.i. as that was a Mercury engine
This should be a different post, sorry for hijacking...

Just found the block code on front passenger side: C3AE-H
Now i'm not sure if the intake and heads are original to this block??
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its not 410 they were only 66-67 easy check remove plug put piston bdc put 1\4 wood dowl mark itturn motor to tdc mark dowl measure the stroke 3.5 352-360
3.75 390-427 3.98 410 428
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wwhite wrote:
chris401 wrote:Do you know the original application or if the rest of the engine was MADE IN CANADA?
EDIT: Looks like I have been in the dark, I thought the FE era parts were all shipped form Detroit. Where is the foundry located?
From my understanding, the engine was swapped from a '64 comet, but after research, the 'made in canada' intake came on thunderbirds.
I do not have the engine code tag located under the coil, so most is guess work.

I'm still not sure if the engine is a 390, I need to disassemble and measure bore and stroke to be sure.
This car is a 1964 Meteor, Made in Canada one year only.

I'm guessing the foundry was the Oakville plant, but thats just a guess.

I'm trying to get in contact with 'NumberDummy' from ford-trucks.com, has he seems to know alot about these things.
When dealing with FE castings, the numbers are best looked at as a process of elimination. If your block is a C5 casting you know it is not a 4.13" bore, smooth without casting numbers would not be a 4.000" bore, 66 427 cast in the top left bell area can be found on some 390's, ect.

EDIT: If your FE has 4 engine mount bosses you know it was for the 65 and newer year model's
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