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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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Fingers crossed here too.....
1965 F-100 240 Autolite 1101, Disk brake dual master upgraded, swapped over to C4 and powersteering. Bought by my Dad new in March 65'

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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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I got the tranny installed.

I still need to flush the cooling lines/cooler, install the exhuast, replace the computer (I got a new one just in case and will use it) and then fill the tranny and fire it off.

I would of had this all done this past weekend but the kids brought home a sick bug that I caught and wiped me out. I am doing better now and will get back on this soon as I can hit the parts store.

I will let everyone know how it goes.
64 F100 short bed-style side-460-c6-with side toolbox and Dakota Front Suspension
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65 Crew Cab
http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/CrewCab/index.html
64 F100
http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/1964- ... index.html
The Torino project http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/1971- ... eFile.html
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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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I finally got the tranny coolant lines flushed. Got the tranny cooler installed then the exuasht installed. Ran around the truck a few hundred times looking for the O2 sensor wire and making sure I haddn't missed anything. I finally decided everything was done. I threw in the 4 quarts of tranny fluid and hooked up the battree.

Oh I did replace the computer as well before I fired it up. Turned the key everything sounded good like FP and gauges. Went to crank it have it just buzzed. so drag out the bat charger crank it to 40 amps and tried again. The eninge fired right off kind of suprized me when it fired up so quick. Went and added the other 8 quarts of tranny fluid. Checked the level and it was good.

I decided to put it in drive to see if the tires would move. In drive the tires started moving (yest I am still on the jack stands). Stopped then tried revese and all seemed to work. I didn't drop it off the stand I want to use some tranny gauges to make sure the tv pressure is good. So far everything seems to be working. I did let the eninge warm up to normal temp just to help ensure no leaks.

My fingers are still crossed. Hopefully I will get the gauges this weekend..

Tranny installed picture.
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Engine runing nice oil and volts.. :)
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64 F100 short bed-style side-460-c6-with side toolbox and Dakota Front Suspension
And a 65 CrewCab

Chris W.

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65 Crew Cab
http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/CrewCab/index.html
64 F100
http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/1964- ... index.html
The Torino project http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/1971- ... eFile.html
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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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Fan-freeking-tastic!

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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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After reading all your post from some of the past issues I'm really relieved to hear you are checking the AOD with a gauge and not just the old measurement of the accel linkage and kickdown. I have an AOD in my 55 bird and burned up two of them from people who were supposed to know what they were doing. It just does not matter UNLESS you set the pressure properly WITH a gauge first, then make your adjustments and all will be good. Wish I had not learned all this the hard way. :roll: It sounds like you are good. Love that crew!
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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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I did more on the CC on Sunday. I got the tranny pressure gauge hooked up to the main line and the pressure fell in spec. I ran it in all the gears while on the jack stands. D did shift into 2nd. All felt good and the main line pressure went up as I pushed the gas so that is a good thing.

Below are the readings I got. I still want to find the EPC pressure port and do the reading there but just ran out of time yesterday. I did clear a path out of the shop and backed the truck out then went forward. I did that several times the good thing the tranny engaged while in D and did just rev up like it did in KC.

Water temp @ 180 and above (wanted the engine warm at least). Also the numbers were about the same when I did my yard test drive.
Park 60 psi @ 720 idle rpm
Revers - 88 psi with brake on same with brake off at idle
Neutral - 60 PSI
Drive - 58 PSI w brake on - giving is just a touch of gas is went to 88 psi @ 1200 rpm and went up from there as more pedal was applied.
2nd - 50 w brake - giving is just a touch of gas is went to 88 psi @ 1200 rpm and went up from there as more pedal was applied.
1st 50 w brake - giving is just a touch of gas is went to 88 psi @ 1200 rpm and went up from there as more pedal was applied.


http://www.tccoa.com/articles/mn12-techinfo/trans-tech/4r70w_rebuild.html


Transmission Oil Pressure Specs
AODE
Note: All pressure tap locations are clearly MARKED right on the case on AODE's & 4R70W's.
Main Line Pressure
• In P/N, OD, D/2, 1 @ Idle Hot - 50 to 75 psi
• In P/N, OD, D/2, 1 @ Stall Hot - 160 to 210 psi
• In Reverse @ Idle Hot - 80 to 120 psi
• In Reverse @ Stall Hot - 220 to 280 psi
EPC Pressure
• In P/N, Rev., OD, D/2, 1 @ Idle Hot - 0 to 9 psi
• In P/N, Rev., OD, D/2, 1 @ Stall Hot - 83 to 93 psi
Clutch Pressure
Note You can check for leaks in the Clutch/Band circuits by comparing them to Main Line Pressure. They should be within 10 psi of each other.
How To Check It
1. Install pressure gauge in line pressure tap.
2. Install a 2nd gauge in the clutch tap that you want to check.
3. Clutch/Band pressure should be within 10 psi of line pressure when the clutch is applied.




Next I will find the other ports and check the pressure... Hopefully all will stay working then I will take it for a lap around area. :)


@brid55 fyi this is the computer controlled version of the AOD (4R70W) and has no TV cable to set. I hate the thought of those TV cables, I've heard lots of people burning out tranny just like you had. Glad you got yours working.
64 F100 short bed-style side-460-c6-with side toolbox and Dakota Front Suspension
And a 65 CrewCab

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The pickups
65 Crew Cab
http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/CrewCab/index.html
64 F100
http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/1964- ... index.html
The Torino project http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/1971- ... eFile.html
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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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Well I went to play with the truck yesterday and Dangit... The truck wouldn't start for what ever reason. Acting like there is no spark.

I didn't fool with it much after that but I am about to pull the efi harness and redo it completly or throw a new one in. I am really thinking a new one might be the answer at this point. I will mess with it more this weekend.
64 F100 short bed-style side-460-c6-with side toolbox and Dakota Front Suspension
And a 65 CrewCab

Chris W.

The pickups
65 Crew Cab
http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/CrewCab/index.html
64 F100
http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/1964- ... index.html
The Torino project http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/1971- ... eFile.html
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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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PFM-64f100 wrote:Well I went to play with the truck yesterday and Dangit... The truck wouldn't start for what ever reason. Acting like there is no spark.

I didn't fool with it much after that but I am about to pull the efi harness and redo it completly or throw a new one in. I am really thinking a new one might be the answer at this point. I will mess with it more this weekend.

Chris, this my third re-edit; I chose not to post the others. You best know what you have and what the source of dis-satisfaction is, so I can offer no help, other than to remind you that in most cases, it's the simpler things which fail to perform. I'd certainly attempt to diagnose and correct glitches prior to wholesale changes, but I have no knowledge of your reasoning. I've been there several times; when the frustration sets in ; I've gone as far as remove a very sophisticated system in favor of redundant MSD boxes. The final results?, renewed acknowledgement of GIGO :cry:
Here's hoping it proves to be a very simple fix!,
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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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Back in December sometime I had enough with this tranny. Drive was still limp and I didn't want to burn another tranny out so I parked it. Then on day I said enough and pulled the EFI harness. I complety de pined the whole harness and removed the stuff I didn't need anymore and put some length into the harness so I could mount it in a different spot.

(Yes wires were everywhere) :twisted:
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Since then I have bee rebuilding it slowly. Taking a couple hours out of some sundays and putting it back together. I didn't like how it routed so I figure change that now.

The EFI connector. I am making sure I have grounds connected correctly (this was a problem for some sensors not working before (oss/tss, vss, etc)). Just making sure it is correct this time. Notice the back wires with blue tape. :) Also note the white wires, they are my sensor feed wires to dash, etc. I made sure to include them while rebuilding.
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The overall pic of the harness so far
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TFI and Engine harness
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The main disconnect for the harness. I am making it so I can unplug then remove instead of pulling the main connector out of the firewall.
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The tranny harness
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I still need to wire in the O2 and MAF sensor wires then rebuild the relay pack for power. And connect all those ground wires plus some. I have also pulled the cooling fans and will replace them with one 16in fan instead of the 2 10 inch fans. The fans worked but not enough to run the AC on my trip to SlickStock. This new fan should fix that. Pics to come later on the fan.

For now that is what has been going on. Hopefully I will have this harness done soon.
64 F100 short bed-style side-460-c6-with side toolbox and Dakota Front Suspension
And a 65 CrewCab

Chris W.

The pickups
65 Crew Cab
http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/CrewCab/index.html
64 F100
http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/1964- ... index.html
The Torino project http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/1971- ... eFile.html
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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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Wow, quite a job, but it looks as though you are being thorough .. that usually pays off in the end.
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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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Looking good. Looks like a PITA, but you are doing what I would do. :clap:
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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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Looks like your putting the torino to good use. Makes a pretty good wire holder. Glad to hear things are coming together on the truck.
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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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Chris, what did you do for a Check engine light? If you talked about it I missed it.

I saw where you are running a single exhaust for now. Where are you exiting it at? Out the back, in front or behind a wheel?

Lastly, Like you I have a bronco II tank. Think this tank keeps us from using a standard, off the shelf tow hitch? Not sure if I'd ever add one, but if one shows up cheap on craigslist or at pull a part, might consider it.
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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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dotcentral wrote:Chris, what did you do for a Check engine light? If you talked about it I missed it.

I saw where you are running a single exhaust for now. Where are you exiting it at? Out the back, in front or behind a wheel?

Lastly, Like you I have a bronco II tank. Think this tank keeps us from using a standard, off the shelf tow hitch? Not sure if I'd ever add one, but if one shows up cheap on craigslist or at pull a part, might consider it.



My check engine light is intergrated into my dakota digital gauge. I can't find a pic with the light on but it shows an engine icon between the Fuel and Temp gauges along with blinkers,hi beam and a couple more. Since I have a computer controlled tranny the OD light is to the right of the gauge. The red button is the OD off/on button.

My exhaust exit out the rear of the truck. It follows the frame rail and the gas tank doesn't get in the way.

For the tow hitch I don't know. I am planing on using the bumper to tow with.


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Since I am updating this post with a response I figure I would let everyone know that the current status of the CrewCab.

The EFI harness has been redone and still have the same problem with Drive not working right. In drive I have to get the rpms up (2300+) before it thinks about moving and then it is like ehhhh I will move a little. When I put it in 1,2,R I just let off the brake and it starts moving. Needless to say something in tranny is still screwed up. My plans are to tow it to a local tranny shop and have them fix it. Hopefully it won' cost a full rebuild price. I also plan on getting a report on what is wrong. Hopefully I will find a good tranny shop but I am being picky right now. :)
64 F100 short bed-style side-460-c6-with side toolbox and Dakota Front Suspension
And a 65 CrewCab

Chris W.

The pickups
65 Crew Cab
http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/CrewCab/index.html
64 F100
http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/1964- ... index.html
The Torino project http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/1971- ... eFile.html
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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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Chris,
I am not absolutely certain about this, but I believe selecting, 1, 2 or R puts the trans in default, or "limp-in" mode. This would probably indicate an external problem. I am not sure now the origin of your EEC4, but I probably have a break-out box you are welcome to, if you are up to some more slow and painful testing. I also have an OTC Monitor 4000E with the various add-ons, plus a bunch of the OTC diagnostic manuals.
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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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PFM-64f100 wrote: My check engine light is intergrated into my dakota digital gauge. I can't find a pic with the light on but it shows an engine icon between the Fuel and Temp gauges along with blinkers,hi beam and a couple more. Since I have a computer controlled tranny the OD light is to the right of the gauge. The red button is the OD off/on button.

Which RJM harness did you use, Universal or Classic? Did it come with a check engine light circuit/connector or did you have to make something to plug into your Dakota gauge package?

PFM-64f100 wrote: The EFI harness has been redone and still have the same problem with Drive not working right. In drive I have to get the rpms up (2300+) before it thinks about moving and then it is like ehhhh I will move a little. When I put it in 1,2,R I just let off the brake and it starts moving. Needless to say something in tranny is still screwed up. My plans are to tow it to a local tranny shop and have them fix it. Hopefully it won' cost a full rebuild price. I also plan on getting a report on what is wrong. Hopefully I will find a good tranny shop but I am being picky right now. :)


That sucks. Hope it gets fixed soon and for not a lot of money.
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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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dotcentral wrote:
PFM-64f100 wrote: My check engine light is intergrated into my dakota digital gauge. I can't find a pic with the light on but it shows an engine icon between the Fuel and Temp gauges along with blinkers,hi beam and a couple more. Since I have a computer controlled tranny the OD light is to the right of the gauge. The red button is the OD off/on button.

Which RJM harness did you use, Universal or Classic? Did it come with a check engine light circuit/connector or did you have to make something to plug into your Dakota gauge package?



I did not use a RJM harness on the crewcab. I had a factory harness from the bone yard. The MIL light (check engine light) comes off of pin 18 and needs to be the negative side of the light. You can run just about any 12v light you wish. For my gauge I just connected wire coming from pin 18 to it. You should should have a check engine light wire at least from what I am seeing from install manules on RJM site.
64 F100 short bed-style side-460-c6-with side toolbox and Dakota Front Suspension
And a 65 CrewCab

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The pickups
65 Crew Cab
http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/CrewCab/index.html
64 F100
http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/1964- ... index.html
The Torino project http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/1971- ... eFile.html
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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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To many non-moving parts for me. I'm out of this one.... Good luck Chris.
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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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I finally found a tranny shop to get the Crew Cab’s transmission fixed (that was a hard thing to find). The shop I found was recommended by several people I know. They will pick it up on Tuesday 6-4-13. The good thing is when it is finally fixed I will be able to drive it home (a full test). I will keep this updated with the progress.
64 F100 short bed-style side-460-c6-with side toolbox and Dakota Front Suspension
And a 65 CrewCab

Chris W.

The pickups
65 Crew Cab
http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/CrewCab/index.html
64 F100
http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/1964- ... index.html
The Torino project http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/1971- ... eFile.html
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Re: PFM's 65 Crew Cab F250

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My Crewcab is finally on its way to the tranny shop. They had a delay and couldn't pick it up until today. We will see what they find. :) This makes the 2nd trip on a flat bed. Hopefully it is the last trip..

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64 F100 short bed-style side-460-c6-with side toolbox and Dakota Front Suspension
And a 65 CrewCab

Chris W.

The pickups
65 Crew Cab
http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/CrewCab/index.html
64 F100
http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/1964- ... index.html
The Torino project http://www.purpleflyingmonkey.com/1971- ... eFile.html
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