352 Heads...........Ughh!

[Gritsngumbo]

Join????? Paul

You didn't get your membership card, T-Shirt and Ball cap? Oh, and windshield decal?

[oldtruckfanatic573]

I'm sorry. My misunderstanding and my fault.

[foodstick]

Old truck no reason to get upset, I think you are confusing a guys humor , as an insult...

Darn spammers seem to get in no matter how many times you think its a good truck guy, and not a troublemaker.

One thing to keep in mind on forums like these are we are spread all over the country, and even world.. sometimes words,phrases, and humor does not translate well... Heaven knows we can barely figure out ALAN still !!!!

[Limestone66]

UPDATE.....................

Well ya learn somethin new everyday. Just got the phone call from the Machinist that's rebuilding my heads. These are 390 heads. This makes Iceman totally right (well half right) in the assumption that these heads were in fact prolly slapped on. All this time I thought they were the original 352 heads They are now ready to get picked up, with new exhaust valves, hardened seats, a few guides had to be replaced and new springs, several I think. They look like brand new heads according to him. Haven't seen them yet but I will. Now comes the fun part. Installation

[Gritsngumbo]

Join?????
Paul

yeah I figured since it says "new members wanting to join" on the thread where I found the email info to sign up it would be ok to use the word join. I forgot there are elitist dickheads like you waiting to make guys feel Like they're not good enough to be part of the group. Sorry for saying I "joined" without your blessing jerk.

FWIW: The guy you're attacking, for what appears to be a misunderstood remark, is one of the nicest, most helpful members you'd ever want to meet.

[charliemccraney]

You didn't get your membership card, T-Shirt and Ball cap? Oh, and windshield decal?

I didn't get that. Lost in the mail??

[Gritsngumbo]

You didn't get your membership card, T-Shirt and Ball cap? Oh, and windshield decal?

I didn't get that. Lost in the mail??

I forgot to add

[foodstick]

Yeah it can always surprise me how easy it is to not understand humor from insult when you aren't right there talking face to face. It has happened many times before. Its one of the reasons I use a lot of emoticons..

[ICEMAN6166]

[Toyz]

Oldtruck;
My posting was directed at myself and myself only regarding my obviously failing memory. It's not the first time my remarks and attempts at humorous sarcasm have been misunderstood! I readily apologize if you took my remark to be directed at you.
I believe there is a song concerning that topic . If anyone might feel offended by my posts to this topic, it should be Limestone, and it appears he just replied in kind, and explained his reasoning. Limestone, just in case you were offended by my remarks, I again apologize; re-reading my posts to understand what irritated Oldtruck tells me I could have been more diplomatic! I've come to enjoy your posts, and hope my replies were not offensive!
I have absolutely no role in the operation or maintenance of this site; I just hopped aboard and met some really great people as a result. Once again, welcome to the site; sorry it was a hassle! If I might offer a suggestion; it would be for you to just relax and enjoy what the site has to offer. If you joined with the expectation that you would become concerned about someone's posting, that expectation may become self-fulfilling!
BTW, I DO take exception to your "elitist" label; I have spent my life striving to be an equal opportunity offender!
Grits, thanks for the flowers, but let's keep quiet about the stickers, caps, and such! Next thing you know people will be joining for those items
Paul

[Limestone66]

Considering the cloak and dagger email stuff I had to do to join its amazing they got through. this is the funniest emoticon I've ever seen.

Yeah it was hard for me too

But is was worth it

Mike

Absolutly.

[Limestone66]

Oldtruck;
My posting was directed at myself and myself only regarding my obviously failing memory. It's not the first time my remarks and attempts at humorous sarcasm have been misunderstood! I readily apologize if you took my remark to be directed at you.
I believe there is a song concerning that topic . If anyone might feel offended by my posts to this topic, it should be Limestone, and it appears he just replied in kind, and explained his reasoning. Limestone, just in case you were offended by my remarks, I again apologize; re-reading my posts to understand what irritated Oldtruck tells me I could have been more diplomatic! I've come to enjoy your posts, and hope my replies were not offensive!
I have absolutely no role in the operation or maintenance of this site; I just hopped aboard and met some really great people as a result. Once again, welcome to the site; sorry it was a hassle! If I might offer a suggestion; it would be for you to just relax and enjoy what the site has to offer. If you joined with the expectation that you would become concerned about someone's posting, that expectation may become self-fulfilling!
BTW, I DO take exception to your "elitist" label; I have spent my life striving to be an equal opportunity offender!
Grits, thanks for the flowers, but let's keep quiet about the stickers, caps, and such! Next thing you know people will be joining for those items
Paul

Me affended? Nah. For a second there, i was actually beginning to sound like a sales rep for Marvel Mystery Oil. LOL

[Toyz]

Yeah, there's always some MMO around my shop. My Dad swore by it, and it remains a pretty impressive product today.
I'm a big believer in quality synthetic oils, also. I can't prove they're any better than Dino oil, but I know they've worked well for me!
BTW, did your machinist identify which 390 heads were on the 352? Most of the early ones were pretty much the same as the 352s as far as chamber and valve sizing. They didn't appear to be the later "GT" heads, so I'm curious as to what they were.
Paul

[Limestone66]

Well i doubt they're GT heads, unless they didnt know what they had. But i am dissappointed that these arent original 352 heads, as this kinda erodes the originallity of it. I am very partial to this old truck, as i feel that i have 'saved' it. The 'P.O.' is deceased and his family has taken all of his posessions and sold them off, including my 'Limestone'. They dont know anything about this old truck so the questions i asked were without answers. Sad man,cuz this be a magnificent old truck left out to die, until i showed up.



'352' stamped on the lower right front engine block makes all the difference to me.









Took these pics as we pulled the heads using my sons S3 Galaxy.

[Toyz]

I know the feeling of "saving" something. I wouldn't personally be concerned about the originality aspect, since that can be extremely hard to determine even to an experienced eye. There are probably a bunch of Ford FE's around with inaccurately identified engines and transmissions. Ford has done some strange things through the years. The "352" identification you mentioned is a good example. It is found on most FE engine blocks regardless of displacement. The Fordomatic "two-speed" that's really a three-speed is another example. We have a "F150 HD 7700" that appears to be an exact duplicate of an "F250 LD 7700", seven lug wheels and all This weekend we adopted a freight train of a Powerstroke CC. It's advertised as a five speed, yet we now are told this trans have SIX ranges
Oh, well, it keeps life interesting, and expands the bond between forum members!
BTW, the "GT" heads I referred to are easily to distinguish by the dual exhaust bolt pattern.
Hope all goes together well on yours; it certainly represents effort well spent!
It is really an unusual one from your pics; it's been a loooong time since I've encountered an FE with nine spark plugs
Is that a PCV valve in the valve cover? It might be worth the effort to change it out to a replacement with the newly reconditioned heads.
Enough for now!
Paul

[Limestone66]

I've always 'respected' what you say on all of your posts and you seem very knowledgeable on these old Fords, much more than me. We will soon know how this old girl does with her new {390} heads. BTW, i have a new pcv valve in the box even though the old one still rattles fine {valve not stuck}. Nine spark plugs LOL, yer too much.

[oldtruckfanatic573]

Paul. I sincerely apologize for my misunderstanding. While I shouldn't be so touchy one reason I don't usually frequent forums is that I have been flamed on a couple for having an opinion that differs from whatever Guy seems to be the board alpha male. This forum seems to be the opposite of just about any forum I have been on and it shows in the manner in which you guys handled my misunderstanding calmly and kindly. Thank you. It wont happen again.

[Toyz]

No apology needed! Most of us have encountered the situation you mentioned. It just gives us more appreciation for this forum and it's members. We're certainly not exempt from the theatrics (and I'm often right in the middle), but we do seem to have a common bond which transcends most misunderstandings.
Paul

[62galxe]

The 352 on the block is standard on a wide range of FE engines. Have you measured the stroke yet? don't know how accurate this is but it looks right.
http://www.fordfe.info/FEStrokeCheck.htm
Some years of the truck 390,s had a large deck height which killed the performance of the motors due to low compression.

Emissions 390 chart

The 390 truck engine of the 1970s uses the 410 piston to reduce the compression ratio. This piston often has 410 on the side of the piston near the pin boss. The chart at the right shows that this increase the deck height to 0.120. When you add a head gasket thickness of 0.042 this effectively eliminates quench and greatly reduces power. The only solution is change the pistons.

Likewise he 360 truck engine of the 1970s uses the 390 piston to reduce the compression ratio. This piston usually has 390 4V on the side of the piston near the pin boss.

[Toyz]

Kenny,
Nice avatar! Looks more like a Dodge, however!?!
Paul