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Re: Steve's 64 Short-bed Project
Posted: October 20, 2020, 7:38 pm
by SteveCanup
ratrapp wrote:is the shifter going to sit forward too much with the s 10 tranny?
Actually, it will be in the perfect position. The Mustang T5 has the shifter at the back of the tail-shaft. With the old 3 speed beside the T5, the shifters are in the same place. The difference is that the T5 shifter is located more on top of the transmission. I will post pics of the shifter when the T5 is installed. Again, on the Mustang T5...I read quite a bit about the differences in the T5 and there are 260 variations on this tranny. Most likely a used Mustang T5 will be abused, because, as we know, guys like to 'beat' on them and run them hard. The biggest problem (weakness actually) is 3rd gear. Most guys like to jam the transmission from 2 to 3 and it tears this gear out. I figured an S10 wouldn't be driven quite as hard and would be more reliable. I hope that I am right about my assessment on this. I'm by no means an expert...but I tried to do some homework before doing this swap.
Re: Steve's 64 Short-bed Project
Posted: October 22, 2020, 9:10 pm
by SteveCanup
I will shorten the driveshaft myself....
Re: Steve's 64 Short-bed Project
Posted: October 23, 2020, 2:51 pm
by oldsmiley
You're going to like that T5 SO MUCH, you're probably going to act so silly......Lol
I know I did on a 79 F-150 I had a while back.
Re: Steve's 64 Short-bed Project
Posted: October 23, 2020, 4:26 pm
by SteveCanup
oldsmiley wrote:You're going to like that T5 SO MUCH, you're probably going to act so silly......Lol
I know I did on a 79 F-150 I had a while back.
I agree...I can't wait to get that "stupid grin" on my face the first time that I drive it on the interstate....at 70....lol...
Re: Steve's 64 Short-bed Project
Posted: October 23, 2020, 4:35 pm
by SteveCanup
All things are ready...waiting for the clutch disc and the throwout bearing snout and I can get it all put together. Then I can measure and shorten my driveshaft. I have an excellent article from the HAMB about driveshaft shortening which gave me the courage to tackle this on my own...and save a bunch of $$$.
I still need to tap the pilot bushing back in....
I'm looking forward to the "stupid grin" moment.......
Stay tuned....
Re: Steve's 64 Short-bed Project
Posted: October 23, 2020, 7:26 pm
by 04sd
I've been shortening my own drive shafts for 40 years. Go for it.
Re: Steve's 64 Short-bed Project
Posted: October 23, 2020, 7:40 pm
by SteveCanup
04sd wrote:I've been shortening my own drive shafts for 40 years. Go for it.
Bill....thanks for the encouragement. This will be the first time doing this, but I think that it can be done....I'm still memorizing the "incantations" that you have to recite as you are doing it....lol. (The article on the HAMB said that everyone thinks that "black magic" is involved in doing this...thought that was funny.)
Re: Steve's 64 Short-bed Project
Posted: October 25, 2020, 6:30 pm
by JeffinMooresville
Pretty impressive Steve. I saw comments above about shifter position, but seems when i was researching, the s10 forward position was the one you wanted because of the shifter position. Ford version was too far back for bench seat.
Good for you going old school and modify the bell housing. Is that cast ? How is the welding on that? I still don't have much confidence in my welding skills, just need to do more of it.
Keep it up, is going to be nice.
Re: Steve's 64 Short-bed Project
Posted: October 25, 2020, 7:39 pm
by SteveCanup
JeffinMooresville wrote:Pretty impressive Steve. I saw comments above about shifter position, but seems when i was researching, the s10 forward position was the one you wanted because of the shifter position. Ford version was too far back for bench seat.
Good for you going old school and modify the bell housing. Is that cast ? How is the welding on that? I still don't have much confidence in my welding skills, just need to do more of it.
Keep it up, is going to be nice.
Thanks Jeff! the S10 forward shifter was among the many reasons that I chose the tranny that I did. I have been thinking and planning for this upgrade for several years now. I kept putting it off, thinking that it would be "beyond my paygrade" lol. (...and it probably is)
On the bellhousing, I simply mig welded (with gas) two areas of metal to move the top mounting hole locations. The welds appear to be good and strong, so I guess that I did okay with that part. Hopefully my new clutch disc will be here tomorrow and I can start putting things back together. There are some parts of this that might not be according to the "experts"...but it works for me. I'm not drag racing the truck or planning to drive it hard. I simply want a truck that I can cruise at today's speed on the interstate and not have to worry about throwing a rod, etc.
Re: Steve's 64 Short-bed Project
Posted: October 25, 2020, 9:22 pm
by SteveCanup
Here's a pic from my files. It is the same engine, tranny, truck etc as mine...This shows the location of the shifter in the cab.
There have been quite a few comments about the placement of the sifter. So I hope that this helps...
Re: Steve's 64 Short-bed Project
Posted: October 27, 2020, 5:51 pm
by ratrapp
looking good steve
Re: Steve's 64 Short-bed Project
Posted: October 27, 2020, 6:40 pm
by 04sd
Nice work.
Re: Steve's 64 Short-bed Project
Posted: October 27, 2020, 9:10 pm
by SteveCanup
ratrapp wrote:looking good steve
04sd wrote:Nice work.
Thanks guys!
Re: Steve's 64 Short-bed Project
Posted: October 28, 2020, 3:43 pm
by SteveCanup
I have removed the front yoke from the driveshaft and shortened the tube 9". I reinstalled the yoke, installed the driveshaft on the truck and used a dial indicator to true it up before final welding. The closest I have been able to get the run out is .030". My father-in-law, who was a machinist in the Navy, helped me under the truck with the run out, and we worked on this thing for over an hour trying to get it closer....but no luck. Any suggestions or is .030" acceptable? I have the rear wheels off of the ground so we could spin the driveshaft and I started the truck and ran it in 5th gear and did not have any vibration at .030". This is the "last piece of the puzzle" as far as having the truck road worthy....frustrating. Do I need to drop the driveshaft and take it to a shop? Or should I weld it up and drive it?
Re: Steve's 64 Short-bed Project
Posted: October 28, 2020, 6:12 pm
by 04sd
I never even checked runout on all of the shafts I did and never had a problem. I'd weld it up and try it.
Re: Steve's 64 Short-bed Project
Posted: October 28, 2020, 8:32 pm
by SteveCanup
04sd wrote:I never even checked runout on all of the shafts I did and never had a problem. I'd weld it up and try it.
So if I just weld it up and drive it....I won't have any vibration?