The messiah has come

don luster · Post by **don luster** » November 9, 2008, 1:45 pm

Lets wait and see--- well guess what Big O just announced that he going to countermand the oil and gas exploration in Utal ???? Wonder why??? oooooo he needs to pay back the green voters Beside we dont need more gas and oil the price has dropped and the big three Dem want allow more drilling in the gulf. Wonder why Maybe they own oil stock or is it because Bush in from the OIL IND ???? I don't know any of these answers but sure would like to know the real reason. Could it be they want to do away with old truck and cars Don't know do you??? Ha ha

willy3486 · Post by **willy3486** » November 9, 2008, 1:53 pm

I am not really upset just tired of all the crap I see going on in the country. Its getting to where you can't get ahead no matter how you try. I am sick of the GOP mudslinging I have seen this year. It has got to be the worst crap I have ever seen. Here is the thing I see, if you resort to mudslinging and lies then what do you stand for? And if they run on that then how bad will we be screwed? I asked people this year specifics how their candidates would help me,the average working class. I asked a lot of McCains voters and it was always the same old crap,attacks. Their answer was Obama was a muslim,he was friends with terrorist,he was an americian citizen. That wasn't what I asked for, I asked if I vote for McCain how was it going to get better for me, no one had a answer. When I asked the same from the Obama group I would get facts, Like if made below a certian amount I would get a tax break amoung other things.

As far as it goes I use to vote for the GOP when I saw a good candidate. So no I am not a liberal. I even worked for the family of a man who run as a GOP candidate. The elections any more offer no real hope for the working class. Its like being a death row inmate and being asked do you want the electric chair or a firing squad. What the crap does it matter? They are still going to kill you before its over. I just see this country turning into some type of facist monarchy run by a select few. So maybe I am a little pi$$ed off but I see the same old ideas of trickle down and don't hurt the rich because it will cut jobs as pure BS. We keep hering how Liberals are socialists but then at the same time we have a so called conservative group that ran DC for years that has harmed the way of life for folks like me. In the last 8 years look at how much we have gone into a deficit. When the last president left we had a surplus, I had a great paying job. Look at me now I am frazzed and fed up with our leadership. I guess thats why when I hear we need to go down the same old road we have for 8 years I have to get vocal.

don luster · Post by **don luster** » November 9, 2008, 2:41 pm

Hey check it your self on yahoo news as of 2:14 minutes ago john Podesta His chief transition officer said he is going to do this as well as look at stem cells research and probley not wait around on the congress etc and will do this as exec. office proceedure. This was written by A P reporter Stephen ohlemacher Mayb e GOP crap but if walks like a duck and quacks like a duck guess what its probley a duck. Hey check it out and let me know if I should worry about the gas etc and green? serious let us know. Hell you got to have some fun in life. I'm too old to cry

willy3486 · Post by **willy3486** » November 9, 2008, 3:57 pm

I checked out some of the articles I could find to break it down here is what I found. Obama is checking over the executive orders of President Bush to see if or what they want to change.

Here is a copy of what I found. Podesta pointed out that there is a lot the president can do without waiting for Congress, and voters can expect to see Obama do so to try and restore "a sense that the country is working on behalf of the common good."
Broken down to the average Joe this means The average american is sick of DC and voted a bunch out. So we have got to change things to help out the country.

Here is a quote from that guy.
"I think that we're looking at -- again, in virtually every agency to see where we can move forward, whether that's on energy transformation, on improving health care, on stem cell research," he said.
What does it mean? We will have to wait and see. But as I have said in the past let your reps know how you stand. I do when I get the chance. Its time they quit doing for the special interests on both sides and put the average guy first. I think the the average joe is a huge majority out there myself and we get ignored. I am personally tired of it.

64 litl un · Post by **64 litl un** » November 9, 2008, 4:10 pm

Willy, I'm really confused by your posts. What are you trying to say? Do you even know?
In your first post you decry racism, self righteous christians, muslims, southerners, and the GOP.
In later posts your points are flipped and flopped from one extreme to the next. You say Americans are closed minded yet we feed the world. We sustained one of the deadliest attacks in our history in 2001 how our government reacted was far far from perfect and has done some damage to our freedoms but muslims were not rounded up and put into concentration camps. Guantonimo Bay is an iternment camp for POWS captured during the war on terror. Even the Get-MO prisoners are now eligble for legal representation and protection under the Constitution. Alien children fill our schools. I feel Americans are dog gone open minded.
You say you have nothing in common with McCain because he is a millionaire. Barrrack Hussein Obama is also a millionaire, Harvard graduate, son of Kenyan father and white privileged mother, was educated as a child in Indonesia and apparently has never worked a day of manual labor in his life. Yet you feel you have more in common with Obama ??
Just to beat you to the punch McCain did plenty of manual labor on the Forestall and little place called the Hanoi Hilton. His stint in the Hilton is why he cant lift his arms higher than his shoulders.
I hate that you and your family have fallen on hard times. I hope things improve for you soon. I find your rant about lazy people, handouts and big government ironic. I expected to see "I'm John McCain and I approve this message." at the end of it.
You have not been abused on this thread, debated yes but not abused. Your first post in this thread began with you threatening to leave the forum. You knew this was an anti Obama thread by Uncle Skip's heading. In a sense you asked for it.
If you support Obama because you in your heart of hearts feel he is the best for the country so be it, I respect that. That is your right.
The bouncing off the issues in your posts and the percecution complex sound to me more like guilt. Almost like you are trying to convince yourself or at least justify yourself.

shawns fords · Post by **shawns fords** » November 9, 2008, 5:28 pm

Skip I thought alot about the comment you said about Jimmy Carter 2.0 and I think you are absolutely right. I do not see him making many of his agendas actually happening with extreme leftists pushing him one way and then him trying to get anything done wil lrequire some assistance from the right side. or he will completely damage his presidency as well he will not make it a second term. I think he is a socialist/ marxist with the "Redistribution" (socialism) idea.
in his Defence he is not a bad man and seems to want to do some things to help our country, but has the wrong ideas about going at it. just as Jimmy Carter did more for his country after his presidency than he did during. sometimes they do not belong as top dog where they can do better work in other sections of governemnt.

Me, I will continue to support my liberterian party, and I hope the sheeple/ leftys will actually se what happens when a telepromter makes a person lie to get votes to earn a job

willy3486 · Post by **willy3486** » November 9, 2008, 6:22 pm

????? Confused by my posts? I don't know what I am trying to say???
I don't have things in common with McCain. That doesn't mean I have to be 100% opposite to him. I guess I do have some things in common with him, I lived in AZ,I am male and white so I guess I do have some things in common with him. What I was getting at was that I live a different lifestyle than McCain. I only have one house, no millions in the bank,etc. Now I ask you really folks how many people do you know with millions that actually spend time with people who are the average worker doing things? As far as Obama I don't think I ever said I had stuff in common with him.
So you can't understand what I am getting at well I will try to break it down.

1. I am sick of all the lies politicians say to get elected.
2. I also do not have much in common with Obama nor McCain
3. I am fed up with the parties more but I am fed up with the GOP more, probably because they have been in charge more and done more of the extreme dirty politics lately.
4. If I agree with a politician on an issue I will stand by that agreement even if I do not favor the rest of their ideas. Thats not flip flopping thats being honest.
To me if you agree with an idea then disagree with it because it loses popularity thats flip flopping.
There is a difference.
5. I do believe in seperation of church and state. Look in the history books to see how a state run church can be bad.
6. Religeous right parties have hurt not only politics but churches as well. I have seen way to many churches split and never recover.
7. I decry southerners? Thats funny I am a southerner born in the south and always lived in the south. When I did move as a child for two years it was in the southwest,AZ to be fact. I even live on land where cilvil war solders came through so yes I am a southerner.
8. Just because I did not support McCain for president did not mean I was flying a Obama flag to get elected. I lost respect for McCain plain and simple due to all the attack ads. I had a lot of respect 8 years ago for him when he ran in 2000. What gets me he was a victim of the rove attacks and then now he turns around and does them. Then I never heard any real plans for the working folks. Not handouts mind you just plans that would make cost of living better,maybe lower taxes. I even complemented here somewhere about McCains concession speech. That he showed the stature of a man I thought he was. And no thats not flip floping thats how I felt about his speech.
9. yes I posted on skips post stating the way I feel. But likewise when I posted about how I was sick of all the negative attacks this year guess what, Some were posted there. I tried to explain I had saw the uglyness from both side and it became a I hate obamafest and don't vote for him.
10 I do not consider it flip flopping if I agree with some of the GOPs positions and some of the dems. Both sides do present good points of view and both have points of view I do not like.

Gee because I try to explain why I feel the way I do and such I have a percecution complex? Give me a break. I am not trying to justify myself just stating how I feel. And yes I thought about leaving, I still am. But when others here have let me know they understand and feel the same way by email I think I am stating what many others feel. I am to the point anymore why waste my time here stating how I feel. If I am going to be accused of being a leftist liberal who wants to kill babies and hates America why even try to post my opinion. I am expecting that next. Why should I post anymore how I feel if my words are going to be twisted? I have tried to state how I feel. Quite simply I wish people would state what their plans are for when they run. I also would like to see a mixture of ideas from different people. In other words I would like to see all the parties that have beeen elected to sit down in DC to work out policies to be the best for the country. I thought our founding fathers wanted a elected group to work out whats best for our people . I thought they were trying to get away from a one mindset of ruling by a monarchy. Well guys have fun with your hatefest of "liberals" I am tired of it. I have tried to defend my position and it seems like no one understands it. I am tired of defending it and having my words twisted. No matter what I say or how to say it some just do not understand I am in the same boat as a lot of you and I am tired of all the BS in DC.

DV65CustomCab · Post by **DV65CustomCab** » November 9, 2008, 8:11 pm

First, to those of you who feel compelled to use "Barack Hussein Obama", it makes you look childish and stupid. One Hussein has nothing to do with the other, more infamous one. Glenn Beck expressed that perception on his show one day and I agree with it. But if you want to look like a far-right whacko, hey, go for it.

As for Willy, well, I think less is more. When Willy posts four thick paragraphs of frustration (and that's really what it is) I think any message contained therein just gets muddled and lost. I don't pay much attention to it. Sure, I could go through and nitpick his observations but what good would it do? Essentially, he's sick of business-as-usual in DC. So am I. So are most of us. So we all are pretty much of that same opinion, right?

I would have preferred Obama did not win. However, the other guy didn't exactly inspire me with hope either. I think Obama has the potential to do greater damage than good to the country mostly because of his associations and IOUs to the far leftists who got him to where he is. I'm hoping none of that matters and he does some good. I can see in him the potential of being a great leader, but the Pelosi/Reid gang that got him into office worry me greatly.

It's too soon to tell what will happen, and certainly too soon to complain about it when nothing has transpired. We must wait and see what we wind up with.

Max · Post by **Max** » November 10, 2008, 8:10 am

shawns fords · Post by **shawns fords** » November 10, 2008, 9:58 am

Americans are open minded BUT US citizens are not when it comes to voting. this is why we still have democraps and republicants in the white house, plain and simple.

I have an open mind I voted Liberterian, because Real change is needed

ICEMAN6166 · Post by **ICEMAN6166** » November 10, 2008, 11:23 am

next few months should be real goofy
we have W and friends on the way out , they will be trying to pass as many executive orders as possible before the end.
meanwhile BO is working on trying to do whatever he can to reverse as many as possible.

and already the money printers are working overtime.

Ford and GM should not get a dime.
neither should AIG or any of the bankers.

if congress wants to save them , they should use their own money
Pelosi has $350 million of her own, and many more of them have plenty too.

i would have voted for Ron Paul if i had that choice.

overhaulin65 · Post by **overhaulin65** » November 10, 2008, 3:56 pm

Ron Paul may have been one of the better choices!

Unfortunately, it seems the one with the most money wins.

Uncle Skip · Post by **Uncle Skip** » November 10, 2008, 6:44 pm

Well guys.
This thread seems to have stayed pretty much on course. Thank you for keeping it civil.
With the exception of the choice of Ron Paul. Mr. Paul is a phoney, self serving, ambitious politician and definately not a real libertarian.
I live in the 22nd congressional District and Ron Paul's district is just south of us.
I've met Ron Paul personally, and I've met his supporters, and to say I was not impressed with either would be an understatement.
I'll explain it this way, if I could get the "tin foil hat" concession at his next political ralley I could get rich.
(The black helicopter thing with the mind control machines don't you know.)
These people (his operatives) are basically poorly educated, angry, bitter, and generally hateful to anyone that would dare disagree with Saint Paul.
As for BO, he's the President. Good on him.
But he's not "my" President as you will shortly see. But I'll honor the office and reserve judgement for the man until he shows us who and what he really is.
And like several others have already said, McCain was not my man either, just what I considered to be the best of two bad choices.
Willy, I don't agree with your take on all this, but you are family and you're welcome to your opinion no matter what. I just hope and pray you're correct and I'm wrong.
Your prayers wouldn't hurt either.
Good luck guys.

U@ss

jeepbut · Post by **jeepbut** » November 10, 2008, 8:44 pm

I sure hope this thread is supposed to be funny, because it damn sure is. I have come to believe that if you have one leg in the past and one leg in the future, you might be pissing on today. Today I worked hard, am doing just fine, and am getting ahead. Thanks, Lyman.

BigTim · Post by **BigTim** » November 11, 2008, 9:45 am

Work hard Lyman, millions are depending on us.

Skip, ditto, except the part about RP, I'm not in the know on that subject.

jakdad · Post by **jakdad** » November 11, 2008, 10:09 am

"Quote"
I lost respect for McCain plain and simple due to all the attack ads.

I will never lose respect for the man because of ads his campaign ran or that the GOP ran
He gave about all he could for this country when many were sitting at home on their worthless cans! I do not let a few ads in an election get in the way of that! He will always be a respected hero!

Slick Fan · Post by **Slick Fan** » November 11, 2008, 11:30 am

I can't think of any politician running for any office who hasn't run an attack ad of some sort. The higher the office, the more attack ads...pretty much the nature of the game.
BO did his share too, but the media chose to downplay his for some odd reason.

ICEMAN6166 · Post by **ICEMAN6166** » November 11, 2008, 12:03 pm

Slick Fan wrote:I can't think of any politician running for any office who hasn't run an attack ad of some sort. The higher the office, the more attack ads...pretty much the nature of the game.
BO did his share too, but the media chose to downplay his for some odd reason.

thats why so few decide to run.

and we now know what happens to somebody from outside the DC club when they are chosen.

welcome home, Sarah.

Max · Post by **Max** » November 11, 2008, 12:08 pm

Hopefully she got a good taste of it and liked it. Would like to see her stick with it and prove herself to all the skeptics.

Slick Fan · Post by **Slick Fan** » November 11, 2008, 1:15 pm

I'd like to see that, too.

I've seen her on the morning "news" shows yesterday & today, trying to set her record straight about the accusations that were thrown her way from the "rats that jumped ship" after the vote was done.
She even made some of the media folks moose stew at her house!

hehe

I think the whole thing was a pretty good shock in regards to the public pressure she has been used to. And the McCain camp definitely put too much of a thumb on her. I think she's definitely gotten a fast education regarding the "Washington machine" & the stinkin' media. She will be much better prepared next go-round.
I hope she decides to run next time, because I think she has TONS to offer.

The messiah has come

Yep!