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1965-66 custom cab cluster... yard find

Posted: February 14, 2011, 8:11 am
by dragginwagon
i picked this up at a local junk yard yesterday. anyone got any tips on how to bench test the gauges? i got the amp gauge to "work" when i hit it to a battery. havent really messed with the others. well i did test the speedo and the bulbs :)

also anyone know what the 2 post "relay" looking box on the back side is? it doesnt really seem to be a relay and if you follow the wires one post seem to feed several things and the other goes to a few as well.

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Posted: February 14, 2011, 9:12 am
by tomrooster
The 2 post relay thing is for voltage to the guages. Tom

Posted: February 14, 2011, 9:17 am
by banjopicker66
That "relay" is a voltage regulator, and it powers the oil and fuel gauges. It also steps the voltage down.
The ammeter isn't powered as such, it simply measures the flow of current. You'll need to do some light-duty rewiring to get it to work properly.
The oil gauge will require a different sending unit. It can be installed on a "T" at the current oil idiot light sending unit location. Run a wire from the sending unit to the other post of the oil gauge. The relay sends power to the gauge and the sending unit grounds the gauge out.
Nice find, by the way!

Posted: February 14, 2011, 9:20 am
by dragginwagon
alright, that makes sense... any tips on how to test the gauges?

Posted: February 14, 2011, 9:23 am
by banjopicker66
To test:
Apply 12V to the regulator.
Make sure fuel or oil gauge has power from the regulator.
Ground out the other side of the gauge.
If the gauge moves to FULL or HIGH, the gauge is good.
The sending units use a variable ground to control the gauge's measurement.

Posted: February 14, 2011, 9:36 am
by dragginwagon
preciate the help! sounds simple enuff, just wanted to make sure before i went and fired something.

i just seen you edit to the 1st reply... this isnt a "stock" truck or any thing like that, can just wire in a stock sending unit from the donor truck for oil sending unit? seems like that would be simple enuff.

Posted: February 14, 2011, 9:47 am
by dragginwagon
i was pretty suprised to see the truck in the yard honeslty... it was pretty loaded! 4x4 f250, 4 spd, fe, every piece of trim ive ever seen for these, door pockets..... sadly most everything was messed up in one shape or form.
i did save these incase someone needed em
the boards are spoken for though
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Posted: February 14, 2011, 9:55 am
by banjopicker66
As regards the sending unit, you cannot use the idiot light sender for the gauge. The idiot sender is just an on-off switch. When pressure is low, it grounds out the light and turns it on.
The gauge sending unit is not on-off, it is a graduated switch using an internal resistor. As the pressure increases, it reduces the resistance, allowing more current to flow through the gauge.
Yes, you can use a simple wire from the sending unit to the gauge to make it work, but you must use the right type of sending unit.

Posted: February 14, 2011, 10:14 am
by BigMike
You can get a sending unit from NAPA. They even had one in stock when I replaced mine.

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Posted: February 14, 2011, 10:32 am
by dragginwagon
banjopicker66 wrote:As regards the sending unit, you cannot use the idiot light sender for the gauge. The idiot sender is just an on-off switch. When pressure is low, it grounds out the light and turns it on.
The gauge sending unit is not on-off, it is a graduated switch using an internal resistor. As the pressure increases, it reduces the resistance, allowing more current to flow through the gauge.
Yes, you can use a simple wire from the sending unit to the gauge to make it work, but you must use the right type of sending unit.
yeah i think i worded that wrong... we're on the same page
i'll prolly tee em together like you mentioned so i can use both.

does the temp gauge sending unit work the same, i would assume so
obviously a different one though

Posted: February 14, 2011, 10:34 am
by dragginwagon
on a side note, that truck also had headers like the ones pictured above... is there much of a market for them? should i go through the trouble to get em?

Posted: February 15, 2011, 3:49 pm
by jmf66
As part of your test, you can check that the regulator has 5v output (with 12v input).

Posted: February 15, 2011, 3:52 pm
by dragginwagon
cool, sounds good!
i'll mess with this thing tonight or tomm night

Posted: February 15, 2011, 4:03 pm
by ICEMAN6166
dragginwagon wrote:i was pretty suprised to see the truck in the yard honeslty... it was pretty loaded! 4x4 f250, 4 spd, fe,
bet it was a conversion to a later frame as those instruments were not installed in any factory f250 4x4s.