Rebuild of 65 VENT window assembly

[JOELHEWITT]

The pivot clip broke and window fell inside, I got another frame assembly COMPLETE to replace with old one and new seals. Anybody have close up photos of this rework? The seal that goes into the frame does it just slide in? Do you use glue? Another thing, originally did the tab that has spring connected is it supposed to be loose in window frame? Anybody have actual photos/drawings on how this is supposed to look? Another thing, I got the strip that goes on the post opposite the vent, it came with rivets!!!! Where do you get a tool to collapse / close the rivets?

[Uncle Skip]

Joel. I'm not sure what you're asking.
What pivot clip? Are you talking about the rollers in the register scissors?
What seal and what frame?
Anyway, I wrote this for another member about removing the guts in the door. Maybe this can help clear up some things. A lot of itdoesn't apply to your question, but read it and it might give you some insight.
I think the bracket you're talking about is for the division bar. You need two sets of hands, a punch pin, a ball peen hammer and a good vise or anvil. Get back to me later on that.
BTW. The spring and nut under the vent window adjusts the tension on the vent so it doesn't flop around in the wind. The tab is indexed so it will limit the range of the window. Make sure you note where it is before you take it all apart.....

Duke.
Taking the door apart isn't really hard, you just have to look and try to understand how it was assembled.
First thing; get a flashlight and look at everything inside. Everything. Take notes.
Remove the inner door handle and mechanism inside the door. There is a rod that goes from the mechanism to the door latch and it has a clip on it that holds it place. Remove the clip and rod and put the clip back like it came off. Then, with an impact screw driver, take the screws out of the door skin and take the handle mechanism out. (you can loosen the window register screws at the same time) Do not lose those screws.
Remove the outer door handle. There is a screw in the door jam (might be under the rubber seal) and one small hex head bolt inside the door skin that holds the handle on. I'd leave the latch in place if it were me, otherwise, use the impact driver and take out the big phillips head screws.
To take the door glass out, remove the bracket that holds the (fuzzy) window channel from the back of the door. There are two screws (I think) on the door jam down low that hold it in place.
Just on top of the door cutout, there is a bracket attaches the door skin to the division bar (the channel that the window glass fits into on the front) with two 3/8" nuts and bolts. Remove them and put the bolts and nuts back on the bracket.
Now lower the window with the handle until you can see the rollers. The rollers are held in place on the scissors with a clip. Remove the clip and pull the studs out of the rollers in the lower window channel.
It helps if you have someone to help you hold the glass in place while you do this, but you can clamp the window glass in place if you have to.
Raise the window mechanism to the top and take the glass out of the door.
Remove window handle and then the register (the thing that makes the window go up and down.
Last, you need to remove the division bar. At the very top of the door, there are two screws in the top that hold the top of the bar in place. Take those out...... but put them back in the bracket when everything is out of the door. All the following screws are specific to each location.
Open the vent window and look at the bottom seal at the back of the glass where the division bar is. There is at least one screw that holds another bracket on the division bar in place. Again, remove and replace when done.
Carefully, you have to rotate the division bar assembly and pull it out from the bottom opening. The bar goes toward the back of the door while you do this. Take you time and don't get frustrated. It is tricky but it will come out.
Once you get all the window glass and guts out you can remove the vent window and frame. Again, there are small screws in the door jam that might be under the door seal. Look close, take them loose and don't lose them. Note where each one comes out. Close the vent window, and gently remove the glass and frame out of the top of the slot. There is a "stop tab" on the bottom of the frame that has to be manuvered thru the slot so look before you twish.
Like I said, take your time and if yoiu get hung up, stop, get a soda and sit down and think it thru before you try again.
You can do it.

[JOELHEWITT]

The pivot that is riveted to the window frame itself broke, so the spring & nut at the end of the spring assembly is or should be adjustable? Mine and the replacement is so rusty I'm afraid to try without breaking it. BTW, where this pin fits INTO the bottom of the vent window frame (the hole) is it supposed to be round or oblong ? Wondering if it has been wallowed out to look as a slot or is this standard? The seal that fits into the vent window frame that fits into the door does it just slide into place? Do you use any glue?

[Uncle Skip]

Joel.
My wife broke her ankle over Christmas so I'm kind of stuck here in the house.
I do have a spare door that I need to take apart so unless you're in a big hurry, I'll take pictures when I take it apart.
That should go a long ways to explain whats going on. Actually seeing is way better than trying to read instructions where no one is on the same page.

[64 f100]

The rubber fits in the channel by being pressed in. The rivits are a little bit of a different matter. Originally there was a special tool for doing the job, as I have one for a 49 Ford, and it may be the same tool. Made something like a C-clamp with the part screwing into the rivit to expand the rivit. To do it by hand is tricky at best, and you will most likely have to have someone to help you hold it, while you expand the rivit. I would start with a center punch and or and nail. The nail might be the easiest way to go, but you will need to round the end of it , then use a more flattened nail to further expand the rivit, and then use one wlith a totally flattend end to finish with. Trick is to hold it tight from the bottom side so everything is snug. Hold it on a vice or anvil or some other suitable piece of iron for a backer . Otherwise, you might be better off making your own expander out of a very small C-clamp. The end needs to have a cone that will expand the rivet and flattens out around the cone.

Rich

[slickmainer]

My pivot broke off and I had to buy a new/used wing window and frame as one unit. Iceman has a build thread with photos of the wing window. Im not sure if I saved it or if I can find it again, but it's on the board. maybe in one of his build threads?

[ICEMAN6166]

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[JOELHEWITT]

Rich, that would help, Thanks Iceman the photo does help also. SO the long pin originally is welded to the frame that HOLDS the window? And Rich, I didn't get any rivets with the molding and don't have such a tool. Rivet DID come with the strip that goes on the bar between the vent and large window, I can rig this stuff but with the cost of the seals I would like to do it right as done originally. THANKS FOR Y'ALLS HELP! I'm further along than I was

[64 f100]

The pivot on the bottom of the window frame is rivited to the window frame , if I remmember right. YOu say yours was welded?

Rich

[JOELHEWITT]

ALL of the vent complete assemblies (includes the frame that fits INTO door channel) the pin the spring is attached to with nut on bottom of pin is LOOSE/NOT ATTACHED to the window frame itself, the window frame itself has a slotted or wallowed out hole that this pin fits in. In other words ALL of the complete assemblies and just window/frames I have bought are the same and all are not in good condition so I cannot tell if any is good or as originally made. If anyone has a factory diagram or close up pictures would help greatly, I hate to put new gaskets in place with a still defective assembly.

[slickmainer]

found the NOS one on ebay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1961-1962-1 ... 3a6cf12ac9

photos help.

[JOELHEWITT]

THANKS, the photos help, today after spending three days in two yards it appears I have found 2 vent windows that the pivot pin may not be broke from the glass frame, there are sitting in PB blaster overnight and hopefully they will work good enough to put the new seals in. THANKS

[JOELHEWITT]

WOW the guy thinks allot about that item, is this the usual prices you see on such?

[64 f100]

From what I understand, the person selling these parts inherited it from the original owner. I believe it is his son in law. I will say that that price is extreme, but the repop frame is somewhere around C note.

I've noticed a trend on Evilbay where prices have been jacked up to the sky on everything, whether it is for a common item or very rare. I knew this man when he was alive, which was several years ago. No worse than a man I knew who wouldn't sell you even one piece and died with the stuff. His widow has the stuff and it is several barns, and after many years of trying, I finally gave up.

Rich

[JOELHEWITT]

Oh I agree this price for a assembly VS just the vent frame repop I have also seen is a deal.