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Folks I'm on the edge, talk me down.

Posted: December 1, 2007, 5:27 am
by norville
I may have an opportunity to swap my slick for a 50.

The boy cried then I showed him the truck now he's exited.

The wife was not happy "you just got that one up and running!"

My truck:

FS 1965 ford F250, Very clean Ca truck. 2wd, Warm 390 that was rebuilt in 99 I have a box full of receipts from PO and engine shop. It’s mated to a 1987 4 spd/ OD manual transmission. Very nice pulls 70 MPH at about 2500 RPMs. Custom 60 gal fuel cell in the bed topped with steel tool box. I have orig out of cab). It has a dana 60 rear with 4.10’s and a posi unit. It has power steering and brakes from a 72 and the ¾ disc brake setup (uninstalled). I have a bench seat from an 85 in there(still have orig). I also have a dual master cylinder and the brakes are like new. New radius bushings. New clutch/TO/and PP .

OK this is as rust free as you can get in the north east. Only rust would be from a scratch or two on in the bed or some surface rust on the under carriage. Really, it is rust and rot free. No real bodywork I’m aware of…except for the driver side box had a dent I the top rail from a tree falling on it.

This truck is very, very clean and well done it is no show truck but a decent daily driver. I do about 4K a year on it. Drives straight and brakes great.


It has a few small dents on the hood and this also had the ¾ mirrors and 3 antenna’s the PO filled in the holes.


The paint on there was only supposed to kill the old color … yellow w/ orange flames But I like it it’s orange peel satin finish…

The truck would drive even nicer with some better tires and a sway bar. But it handles and drive great even with “E” rated tires. It has a great custom low profile rear bumper with 2” reciever. And a brake controler.


I’ve insulated the roof and doors. It has the zipper side pockets.


His truck:

1950 Ford F-2 Pickup.

This truck is in pretty original condition except for the seat, and the original engine, which was cracked by the previous owner. Original 4 speed spur “crash box”. Original radiator was tossed as it was garbage. It does have the original air cleaner and it is in decent shape. She has 49,000 original miles as stated on the clean Minnesota title!

I know the history of this truck back to the day it was bought. The man I purchased it from bought it from his uncle to drive around and restore. His uncle bought it new, and the truck spent it's life on the farm and then was stashed 30+ years in a barn. He then sold it to his nephew as a driving restoration project, and thats what he did. He drove it until the block cracked and removed the engine. He then decided he didn't have the time or the place to restore it and he sold it to me. I had it trucked from Minnesota to New Jersey where it has been for the past 5-6 years.


Drivetrain:

244 CID Flathead V8 (year correct 8RT truck engine, not 8BA), bored .020, crank and rods .010/.010. Was rebuilt in 1955, and has a rare and unique plaque on the front of the engine to prove it. I bought it off an old hot rodder, and he said it ran good so he stored it in his dry shed all these years in hopes of getting to use it but never did. I picked it up and put it in with new mounts. Fired it up October 7th, and it runs great! Video of it running can be seen:



New plugs, points, condenser, and cap. New radiator. Generator is converted to 12 Volts. Original fan. No exhaust system. Brakes are bled and work nicely (rear driver's side wheel cylinder seeps fluid over time), drive shaft is in and freshly greased with new U-Joint, transmission shifts fine, clutch works great. Front end is greased, the steering is tight and it is the easiest manual steering I've ever driven! I've fabricated a nice battery tray for it that retains the stock hold down frame. New clutch pivot bracket, all clutch linkage present excepting pin. Emergency brake does not work well. Engine is bolted and torqued to transmission with new stainless hardware. Spare clutches and flywheels. Lots of other new miscellaneous hardware/parts.

Interior:

Year and truck correct bench seat. Restored cluster (gages work) with resurfaced Speedometer . It has been converted to 12V with an in-line resistor. New under dash wiring harness. New headlight dimmer switch. Original radio grille and delete plate are cracked and long gone but cheap to replace. Glove box liner is trash, as are the heater box hoses. Heater looks to be in nice shape. Seat cover is not year correct and needs replacement. No bolts for seat. Interior was cleaned and painted with rust-o-leum for protection. There is no headliner or kick panels. Both doors do have panels to cover the access area (not attached). Floor pan needs to be media blasted to remove glue residue from previous owner's installation of shag carpet. Driver vent window needs latch. Windshield needs new seal.

Exterior:

It was originally Alpine Blue, then painted maroon and now it's maroon and rust-o-ileum sky-blue. All trim save the driver side “F-2” badge is present and in good condition. All is reusable with no dings or dents that I can see except for one of the hood bars that is bowed slightly at the end (needs new attaching hardware). Inner body panels are in great shape. Minor if any cab rust. The only place that is rusted on the cab is a small non-structural place under the cab in the back (both sides) about 2x1 inches if I remember correctly. All the glass is good excepting the rear window, which is shot (literally with a BB gun) and is fogging up. This truck has the absolute straightest bed rails I have ever seen, and the rest of the bed is very straight except for rust through near the spare tire area. Tailgate and rear bumper are both garbage. Taillights are not original. Bed wood is serviceable for a work truck but needs replacement. Fenders have rust in the usual places. Patches of bondo are scattered through out, but most of it has been removed by me. The front fender quarters need patching, one is partially patched with steel and needs final grinding and filling, the other one the rust has been removed and is awaiting the welder. Most of the truck has been or was painted for protection, and should be stripped to bare metal. Hood, doors, and most of the cab was stripped of old paint and/or rust and protected. Grill is in decent shape with only minor dings. I believe I have the original door mirror. Frame is in excellent condition, it almost looks new. Have all the welt for front fenders. All the expensive and hard to find parts are hear and are in new or good original condition. All bolts that were replaced, were replaced with stainless.





I really love those fat fenders, but I'm not sure I want to start over.
Thanks

bob

Posted: December 1, 2007, 5:35 am
by norville
Oh, the goal for the 50 would be a daily driver like the 65



Pic is in my gallery


bob

Posted: December 1, 2007, 6:52 am
by dotcentral
Both look like nice trucks. Not sure I understand, are you thinking about selling the 65? If so why not wait until you got the 50 running good and reliable first. Of course nothing wrong with having more than one truck.

Posted: December 1, 2007, 9:34 am
by Gritsngumbo
Can you do the deal without trading the 65? If you can buy it outright I would do that and then make a decision about which one to keep when you have the fat fender on the road. Actually you can't have too many trucks.

Posted: December 1, 2007, 9:42 am
by Uncle Skip
Norville.
Don't do it. :shock:
Put the hammer down and step away slowly and no one will get hurt.
Please, keep the Slick.
My business partner is into those F-1's and they are really a basic form of transportation. When I say basic, the only difference between them and a horse drawn wagon is the F-1 doesn't have the horse in front.
He's a big red headed Swede and dumb as a rock so you can't tell him anything, so if you decide to do the right thing and keep your Slick, I will be happy to connect you with a sucker, er ah, customer you can pawn that F-1 off on, maybe for a profit. :wink:
These trucks are tiny inside and if you're bigger than a hobbit, you will only be able to carry one other hobbit with you.
When I rode in Carl's F6, I had to get out of the cab to change my mind.
And you would have to do multiple upgrades just to make it safe to drive on the street.
Even if you kept the original motors, 6 or flathead, they are expensive to maintain and basically unreliable so that would mean you'd have to at least consider an engine swap. :(
You would have to go to disk brakes for safety, and Ford did not have a 9" rear end until 1957 (in anything).
And finally, in my own not-so-humble opinion, it is a butt ugly truck, even when its finished.
You have to do what a man has to do, but I sure would think long and hard about it if I were you.
Right about now I'm hoping your Slick is looking a lot better :D .
And if you go over to the buggy side, you wouldn't be allowed at Slick Stock next year :cry: .
Please let me know you're keeping your Slick.
U@ss

Posted: December 1, 2007, 10:09 am
by Kid
Skip, EVERYONE is welcome st SlickStock...........Kid

Posted: December 1, 2007, 10:50 am
by Uncle Skip
Kid.
You're ruining my arguement :wink:
U@ss

Posted: December 1, 2007, 11:08 am
by Johnny Canuck
Hey I know this feeling. If the right 40-41 came along I'd trade the slick for it in a new york minute, and then prolly regret it. Think it through. breathe in, breathe out. Yer there now as far as a daily driver goes... do ya REALLY want to start over?
A Flathead is a reliable engine, with an electric fuel pump. but NOT a modern one. They were'nt really designed for today's driving conditions. But. Clyde Barrow liked 'em for bank robberies. :lol:
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Posted: December 1, 2007, 11:39 am
by Hoofbeat Racer
Tough call Bob, I like the idea of keeping both. One can never have too many old trucks, specially of your calibre. Your slick looks pretty clean from the pics and am assuming its reliable as your daily driver. Ultimately the decision is up to you. I hope I never have to part with my baby unless someone offers me suitcases of cash... no I don't think its the money, it would have to be large men in suits from the bank that would cause me to part with my 66


BTW, Hey Skip, don't you have to attend SS before you can disallow other members? th_crafty.gif

Posted: December 1, 2007, 11:52 am
by Slick Fan
If it were me, I'd have a REAL hard time letting go of the '65...but I'm the type of person who gets really attached to vehicles, too.

It's really your deal, though. If it makes you happy, then go for it. Life's too short to not enjoy yourself. :D Later on, you can always snag another Slick.

Posted: December 1, 2007, 12:02 pm
by mrcando_66F100
Keep the slick! It's your reward for all the long hours and hard work! When I finish mine in the summer I will probably get another! There is no way I sell or trade mine with all the hard work I put in it! U should do the same. Keep the slick and get the 50. You will just have to work a little slower if money is tight! Besides....Do you really want your women telling you I TOLD YOU SO when you have regrets or are talking about your past slick!!!!!

Posted: December 1, 2007, 6:54 pm
by norville
I can do the deal without trading but I have no money to do so.

I also have a 71 landcruiser here that I was 1/2 trying to sell it needs very little work. If I can sell that I can get the 50.

I just drove the slick today about 100 miles @ 70 it's really not bad on the road. or gas . I need some new door window gaskets.

You folks brought up a few great points.. I passed on a 58 dodge and a 59 apache both for the same reason too small. in the cab rode and drove like a truck. compared to my cruiser this slick rides like a caddy....

I like the slick for pretty modern parts swap in but still classic looking.

I agree lot's of work for the 50 to make a DD . brakes, different rear, reliability issues, glass

It's just kills me to find something this decent this close that I can get. I know I could have it on the road in about a month after the weather breaks. But I'll miss having a truck till then.

Maybe I'll paint the top 1/2 of my slick white and put the steelies back on and some hubcaps. That might kill my nostalgic mood.

thanks all
bob

Posted: December 1, 2007, 9:29 pm
by Rosati
Johnny Canuck wrote:Hey I know this feeling. If the right 40-41 came along I'd trade the slick for it in a new york minute, and then prolly regret it. Think it through. breathe in, breathe out. Yer there now as far as a daily driver goes... do ya REALLY want to start over?
A Flathead is a reliable engine, with an electric fuel pump. but NOT a modern one. They were'nt really designed for today's driving conditions. But. Clyde Barrow liked 'em for bank robberies. :lol:
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I've seen that letter! I laughed my ass of while visiting the museum!

Posted: December 1, 2007, 10:12 pm
by Gritsngumbo
You have to remember that Clyde didn't steal pickups as getaway cars, he used cars...which in that day handled much better than the "work trucks" of the day.

Posted: December 1, 2007, 10:20 pm
by ICEMAN6166
not much i would trade my 66 for, would have to be same nice daily driver condition either early bronco, or maybe 64/65 falcon ranchero.almost traded it for a big towtruck a few years ago, glad i did not do it. had a few other offers i turned down too.

Posted: December 2, 2007, 11:39 am
by Jarrod
THe F2 will be a terrible daily driver. If you want it, sell the yota and keep the slick. That way you can build the F2anyway you want to and can tow it with the slick.

Posted: December 2, 2007, 12:03 pm
by cookster4495
I've met bob and his slick,and yes,it is NICE !!! Sell the yoyo and do what you gotta do to keep them both.Might take a little longer $$$$ wise but once it is done you will have two cool trucks !!! Larry

(Sent that trans out,should be done soon) :thumright:

Posted: December 3, 2007, 7:51 am
by YukonCor55
Ah, life's dilemmas :wink:
I love my slick but I'm also a fan of the 50s Fords. That said, my '62 F-250 shares darn near every engine part with my '55 Ford Cars. My theory is if I can fix one Y-Block, I can fix 'em all! The '49 thru '51 Ford Trucks are probably my favorites (especially the pug nose COEs!) I guess in a perfect world you could have your slick and the F-1, barring that though just make sure it's a project you can tackle before you give up a reliable driver. A restored flathead is probably the coolest thing in the world but when it comes to affordable maintenance and upkeep, it's a far cry from a Y-Block and even farther from an FE! Good Luck!

Posted: December 3, 2007, 9:25 am
by jwh f-100
If you want it, sell the yota and keep the slick. That way you can build the F2anyway you want to and can tow it with the slick.
:iagree:

Bob, Someday I need to take a ride down, As far as I know you are the closest Slickster.

Jason

Posted: December 4, 2007, 2:22 am
by blackagatha
keep the slick... you'll regret getting rid of it.

I'll never get rid of Aggie, least not willingly.

Trade the toy for the F2... that sounds like a fair enough swap.



A few years back some dude pulled up to my ma, in her '69 camaro that belonged to her grandma. He offered to go to the bank RIGHT NOW and do a straight trade for his late model Corvette. It was an obvious answer.... NO.