Slick 60's

well I tried to spin out on asphalt with the ol 63 and she spun then started to hop, what gives,, little bit of smoke and alot of bounce,, bout shook the bolts loose!!,, what to do??

It's called wheel hop or axle wrap. When the tires hook up, it causes the rear end to wrap up, making the leaf springs "S" shapped. Then the tire looses traction and the axle snaps back into place.



Are your rear shocks worn out? Do you have an open differential or a limited slip? You could add traction bars, or ladder bars to help keep this from happening.

As Frank suggested, you are experiencing wheel hop. Ladder bars would help tremendously. If you install them, you also want to make your leaf springs full floating. This removes all torque transfer from your leafs directly to your frame.

It's a 223 for goodness sake, leave the poor thing alone!! Thanks, Lyman.

LOL I know it's a 223 but it was fun nun-the-less!! don't tell me you've never tested your slick!! well down the road I will get me some latter bars,, or trac bars just to make her LOOK tough!!! thanks!!

Jefw
223's have a lot of torque, always remember that. The guy I use to build drive lines when I need them has a drive line hanging on his wall that is twisted beyond belief. It is from a 300 6 bone stock. He claims most of the twisted drive lines he replaces are from the 6 cylinder trucks and cars. You might want to inspect your U joints now after experencing axle wrap and wheel hop. That can be very hard on them.
Those 223's are great engines very hard to beat.

Funny, my little 223 must be even more worn out than I thought. I have to wind the poor little thing up to even get it to move out of the slight dip it sleeps in in the driveway.

One day I'd like to drive a decent 223 and see what its actually supposed to feel like. I dont have any plans to rebuild mine as I plan on putting a 240/300 in instead. (that engine is still sitting in the back of the '66 waiting for me to get the time to find a proper transmission for it )

yeah she definatly has the torque,, checked the u joints and they are fine
my motot has been rebuilt a year ago and seems as strong as she was when she first fired,,,couple of small upgrades include the twist on oil filter paper air cleaner, new oil breather,,
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just need to clean up the messy engine bay,, power sprayer maybe??

Wait until you have to replace the clutch at $80 a disc, that will learn ya.

Also, I have seen several guys over the year with slappers on a six.
this was always the response

that was kind of the 70's version of this


Lyman is right.

torque and the gear ratios are what make the 6 move off the line with a load.
after all in the 60s these did truck work, not brodies.

i cant hardly break my 292 and 4.56 rear loose in the snow. put any weight in the bed and its likely not going to happen.have to give lots of gas before it even wants to slide around corners.
this is a good thing and i am quite happy about it.
you want to spin put in some 3.50 gears and you will have no problem.

Johnny Canuck wrote:Also, I have seen several guys over the year with slappers on a six.
this was always the response

What are slappers? and what do you have against 6's?

I was'nt implying that I have a hot rod,, just an observation on what it can or can't do,,I pretty much baby my slick being the motor cost just about $2100 to rebuild,, all-n-all she has enough power to get from A to B
and saves gas toboot!!

my 223 did good after i put the 2bbl on it

ICEMAN6166 wrote: you want to spin put in some 3.50 gears and you will have no problem.

sayin no problem getting it to slide around? or vice versa? The 223s came coupled with a 3.89 punkin, made it even torquier... I wasnt impressed with mine though. the 390 slides around corners easy. still hard to burn out straight ahead, without holding the brakes, (well, with the 2.75 in)

I've done a lot of playing around in high power, sliding, etc and have never experienced said wheel hop... I did onetime do a nice fishtail going sharp around a turn, hit a patch of sand, and almost killed a mail box- 223 installed, no sway bars yet...

Hold it to the floor a little longer before you drop the clutch, get those tires fryin' !!!! That will prevent wheel hop!!
Doug

frank66 wrote:

Johnny Canuck wrote:Also, I have seen several guys over the year with slappers on a six.
this was always the response

What are slappers? and what do you have against 6's?

slappers


throwing slappers on a six was the old school version of buying stickers for your ricer. Never made it one iota faster., it just weighed 100 lbs more.
add one of these, good for at least 50 horse, and you were in nurd's paradise

the tiny foot for the dimmer switch gets you 25 extra HP too.

ICEMAN6166 wrote:the tiny foot for the dimmer switch gets you 25 extra HP too.

ssshhhhh Brian, that's supposed to be a secret

well so much for slappers then,, lol!! need to get me a footy peddler for that extra horsepower!! hey how are the after party's at slick stock anyway??

Mine doesn't seem to have a problem breaking them loose with that little 390 and 4:10 gears.These old trucks were made for work and an idle (empty)bed is the playground for the devil.
Joe