Check out this fire truck

36truck · Post by **36truck** » November 10, 2007, 8:50 pm

Nice truck but why the box mismatch on a 66???

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-F-2 ... otohosting

Jarrod · Post by **Jarrod** » November 10, 2007, 9:02 pm

F250's and F350's came that way in 66 also. I think

66fordtrucknut · Post by **66fordtrucknut** » November 10, 2007, 9:19 pm

The town I live in still has a 66' Big slick in service, I need to get a pic.
Charlie

Garbz · Post by **Garbz** » November 10, 2007, 10:16 pm

64 65 and 66 F250s 4x4s used the 57 to 60 bed.
64 65 F100 4x4s used the 57 to 60 beds
66 F100 4x4s used the 64 to 66 beds.

Garbz

6166 Junkyard Dog · November 10, 2007, 11:02 pm

David I have a 63 here F-350 with a 9' bed that is the 57-60 style

needmoretime · Post by **needmoretime** » November 11, 2007, 6:38 am

Sir Charles,
I think we have room for a fire truck in the club.

6166 Junkyard Dog · Post by **6166 Junkyard Dog** » November 11, 2007, 8:31 am

If this truck has the original lettering, I don't know how you can get it off and save it but it was most likely done in Gold Leaf,, Might be able to turn it into $$$$$$$$,, back then it was cheap and we had a lot of our trucks lettered in Gold Leaf in which Real Gold was in the paint

Slick Fan · Post by **Slick Fan** » November 12, 2007, 5:03 pm

What a great lookin' truck! We definitely need a fire truck in the club.

Hawkrod · Post by **Hawkrod** » November 12, 2007, 6:16 pm

6166 Junkyard Dog wrote:If this truck has the original lettering, I don't know how you can get it off and save it but it was most likely done in Gold Leaf,, Might be able to turn it into $$$$$$$$,, back then it was cheap and we had a lot of our trucks lettered in Gold Leaf in which Real Gold was in the paint

FYI Gold leaf does not have gold in the paint. Gold leaf is actual sheets of gold foil that is applied to glue and then clear coated. It isn't worth much as the foil is so thin. If that truck has real gold leaf (which is likely looking at it) the gold salvage value might be $10 if you were very lucky. A sheet of gold leaf is so light it takes a quite few to even make 1/10 of an ounce! Hawkrod

6166 Junkyard Dog · Post by **6166 Junkyard Dog** » November 12, 2007, 6:21 pm

Do not know about that but in the 60's and 70's REAL GOLD WAS Used when we had our trucks lettered and at that time was not cheap

ICEMAN6166 · Post by **ICEMAN6166** » November 12, 2007, 7:24 pm

6166 Junkyard Dog wrote:
David I have a 63 here F-350 with a 9' bed that is the 57-60 style

all beds for the 57-66 f-350 were 9 '. 2 choices 57 style or stepside.

Hawkrod · Post by **Hawkrod** » November 12, 2007, 8:17 pm

6166 Junkyard Dog wrote:Do not know about that but in the 60's and 70's REAL GOLD WAS Used when we had our trucks lettered and at that time was not cheap

It is real gold but the price has almost nothing to do with the value of the metal. Making gold leaf is expensive and installing it is an art. The high cost of gold leaf work is in the labor and cost of materials but the material cost is related to manufacturing the foil not the cost of raw materials. Just to give you guys an idea of pricing, here is the price from a web site;

NEW AUTOMOTIVE GOLD LEAF -- Gilding a car or motorcycle?
-- You need 23KT TRANSFER SHEETS FOR CARS, TRUCKS, MOTORCYCLES
-- 25 LEAVES, EACH LEAF IS 3-3/8" X 3-3/8" -- COVERS 2 SQUARE FEET -- PRICE: $34.00

You can see that two square feet is only $34, most signs use less than this

Hawkrod

Garbz · Post by **Garbz** » November 12, 2007, 8:37 pm

Yep,

But its a F250 and the question was Why a mismatched bed....Had a choice of 8' fridge or a flare on the 4x4......

And i have seen the 9' on F350s....

Garbz

Its still one Dang nice slick...

tomsrod · Post by **tomsrod** » November 12, 2007, 9:15 pm

To add to Garbz' earlier post this thread; the 57-60 mismatched styleside bed was also used on 61-62-63 F100 and F250 4x4s. The 62 and 63 F100 and F250 4x2s used the same bed, but had slightly different undersides to accommodate the arched frame on the 4x2s. I've read discussion before as to whether the 57-60 styleside bed was used on 61 4x2s. No definitive answer, but I'd have to guess there were some late 61 4x2s with the 57-60 bed. Why the mismatched bed? When the F series was redesigned for 1961, Ford thought the unibody and flareside beds would be what customers wanted. The unibody was not a durable workhorse and flaresides were not what customers wanted anymore. Ford used what it had available in 1962 and 1963, the older bed, as it fit the 122 inch wheelbase and was able to work where the unibody could not. Ford stretched the wheelbase in 1964 and redesigned the styleside bed that was used on 64-66 F100 and F250 4x2s and 66 F100 4x4s. The styleside bed on this truck is factory correct although it looks like the owner used a bed from an older truck.

Patrick

ICEMAN6166 · Post by **ICEMAN6166** » November 12, 2007, 10:29 pm

tomsrod wrote:The 62 and 63 F100 and F250 4x2s used the same bed, but had slightly different undersides to accommodate the arched frame on the 4x2s.
Patrick

when i put the 2wd bed on the f250 4x4 frame i had to use different blocks of wood on a few of the bed supports but the holes were correct.

6166 Junkyard Dog · November 13, 2007, 11:07 am

Really do not care how Gold Leaf is done today or buying off internert BUT Back years ago A REAL SIGN Painter back then had it locked up and had to add REAL GOLD into the paint non of this sheet junk and the expense back inthe 60's and 70's was about 150.00-200.00 per truck extra depending on how crazy we went on lettering, stripes, etc.. or whatever,,, True sign painters are a dying breed with all this computer lettering now

Hawkrod · Post by **Hawkrod** » November 13, 2007, 12:15 pm

6166 Junkyard Dog wrote:Really do not care how Gold Leaf is done today or buying off internert BUT Back years ago A REAL SIGN Painter back then had it locked up and had to add REAL GOLD into the paint non of this sheet junk and the expense back inthe 60's and 70's was about 150.00-200.00 per truck extra depending on how crazy we went on lettering, stripes, etc.. or whatever,,, True sign painters are a dying breed with all this computer lettering now

I guess you do not understand what I was trying to tell you. Gold leaf done correctly is done with what I listed. If it is done any other way it is not real gold leaf. Gold leaf has been done the same way for hundreds of years using gold foil and any GOOD sign painter does it that way. Despite what you seem to think, the gold is not the expensive part. If your sign painter was adding gold to paint he was not an artist, he was a hack. Using gold tinted paint is the easy way and considered poor quality in the industry. Hawkrod

Garbz · Post by **Garbz** » November 13, 2007, 12:50 pm

I had FDNY Rescue 1 1980 pierce Refurbed and Gold leafed for the Department i was Chief of. Could not afford to do the FDNY Skull Truck L-116 a 1980 Segraves 100 foot ladder in Gold leaf so we did it in Gold Scotchlite. That truck was bought by a record company and PIMPED! Its running the show circut with Hazle Township markings and the Flaming Skulls......L-107 HTFD, I have fond memories of that truck as its the one i got arrested in driving to a worker....

Sat us back about 7 grand to do the Gold Leaf work.

That was back in 93 so i assume it has gone up.

Job was laid out then glue applied, then leaf, then protective clear coat and pin striping.

There is nothing better than a good Gold leaf job on a BIG fire truck.

Garbz

RhinoGT · Post by **RhinoGT** » November 14, 2007, 2:51 pm

We already have a fire truck on this forum. Mine!

Slick Fan · Post by **Slick Fan** » November 14, 2007, 3:28 pm

RhinoGT wrote:We already have a fire truck on this forum. Mine!

I forgot all about your truck!
How's your truck doing, anyway? By the pics in your album, I see your engine's looking pretty clean.