Re: Dana 60 5x5.5 Lug in 1/2 Ton Custom Cab

[jbolivar]

Hello,

I ran a post a few days ago asking opinions about whether to keep the Dana 60 or go with a 9". I appreciate all of the replies and I think I'll stick with this Dana. I've posted pictures in my personal gallery since a lot of people had never seen one and was wondering if anyone knew where I could get direct Ford related information that shows options and specs for our trucks.

Thanks, Jim

[Slick Fan]

Crap, that's what I was gonna do last weekend...go look under my Son's '65 F100 & get pics of that rear end. I'm almost positive it's a Dana 60 too.

I would think it really odd that a shortbed would have a D60 originally, but sccording to your door tag, the B5 axle code makes it a 4:10 ratio...definitely sounds like a D60 ratio.
A factory service manual will show all specs on your truck. I've got a '66 manual set, but your year will likely be different, I would think.

[6166 Junkyard Dog]

about 2 years ago we sold that 65 F-100 long bed come from the Fire Dept. in Seattle, it was a Dana with 3:54 gera 2 speed granny with the 300 6 cylinder, truck had 28,000 when we got it drove for a few months and was great on gas mileage due to the gear ratio

[jbolivar]

Crap, that's what I was gonna do last weekend...go look under my Son's '65 F100 & get pics of that rear end. I'm almost positive it's a Dana 60 too.

I would think it really odd that a shortbed would have a D60 originally, but sccording to your door tag, the B5 axle code makes it a 4:10 ratio...definitely sounds like a D60 ratio.
A factory service manual will show all specs on your truck. I've got a '66 manual set, but your year will likely be different, I would think.

Thanks for the reply. The tag on the housing is also a 4:10 so it matches the door tag. Is your son's also a 5 lug? I'm building just kind of a fun daily driver street rod, starting with a 1970 Thunderjet 429 and C6, lowered with 10" American Racing Torq Thrust wheels in the rear and 8" in the front. I'm going to tub the inside of the bed a bit to make room for more tread. I'll post pictures as I go. Where did ou get the service manual?

Jim

[Fordified1]

I would think it really odd that a shortbed would have a D60 originally, but sccording to your door tag, the B5 axle code makes it a 4:10 ratio...definitely sounds like a D60 ratio.

4.10 : 1 is also a common 9" gear ratio. The D60 would be unusual in a short bed , but anything is possible. Sometimes Ford used whatever was available to keep a line running. I've found some unusual parts on un-molested cars in the past. That's what makes junk-yard hunting so much fun.

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[Hawkrod]

I would think it really odd that a shortbed would have a D60 originally, but sccording to your door tag, the B5 axle code makes it a 4:10 ratio...definitely sounds like a D60 ratio.

4.10 : 1 is also a common 9" gear ratio. The D60 would be unusual in a short bed , but anything is possible. Sometimes Ford used whatever was available to keep a line running. I've found some unusual parts on un-molested cars in the past. That's what makes junk-yard hunting so much fun.

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Unfortunately that is not quite true. If a truck was scheduled to have a 9 inch and there were none available the truck would be sidelinded, they would not intentionally install the wrong rear end. Especially when that rear end required different components like spring mounts and driveshafts. If a truck has a Dana 60 then it was scheduled to have a Dana 60. That is how it worked then and now. The assembly line does not build rear ends. The rear ends are ordered from the drivetrain plant and come pre assembled and scheduled to be installed. If they had 100 unit scheduled for assembly they ordered 100 rear ends (that is an example, an order would be for 1000's of rear ends). The assembly plants did not have huge piles of parts waiting to be used, they had the parts they needed to assemble scheduled units plus a percentage for failure. Unfortunately suggesting that Ford "used whatever they had" is just furthering a myth that has no basis in reality. Hawkrod

http://mysite.verizon.net/tcherry3/ford ... torial.htm

[Garbz]

If it had the 60 it was most likely ordered that way. you got the spicer/Dana if you wanted traction lock in a truck.

I have yet to see or meet a truck installed traction lock 9 inch factory rear. Ever wonder why there is a section on the spicer in the manuals for limited slip and no mention of it in the 9" section of factory shop manuals?

The XL don't count as DST put the 9" member in with the 4.88s and TL.

Toms pretty stout on the factory fables.

GGarbz

[Slick Fan]

Crap, that's what I was gonna do last weekend...go look under my Son's '65 F100 & get pics of that rear end. I'm almost positive it's a Dana 60 too.

I would think it really odd that a shortbed would have a D60 originally, but sccording to your door tag, the B5 axle code makes it a 4:10 ratio...definitely sounds like a D60 ratio.
A factory service manual will show all specs on your truck. I've got a '66 manual set, but your year will likely be different, I would think.

Thanks for the reply. The tag on the housing is also a 4:10 so it matches the door tag. Is your son's also a 5 lug? I'm building just kind of a fun daily driver street rod, starting with a 1970 Thunderjet 429 and C6, lowered with 10" American Racing Torq Thrust wheels in the rear and 8" in the front. I'm going to tub the inside of the bed a bit to make room for more tread. I'll post pictures as I go. Where did ou get the service manual?

Jim

Yep, my Son's is a 5-lug. I'll try to get outside tonight & get some pics of it & the door tag.
My service manuals all came from eGouge, most volumes were one at a time. Took me about a year because I refused to pay top dollar, but eventually I got 'em all.

[Hawkrod]

If it had the 60 it was most likely ordered that way. you got the spicer/Dana if you wanted traction lock in a truck.

I have yet to see or meet a truck installed traction lock 9 inch factory rear. Ever wonder why there is a section on the spicer in the manuals for limited slip and no mention of it in the 9" section of factory shop manuals?

The XL don't count as DST put the 9" member in with the 4.88s and TL.

Toms pretty stout on the factory fables.

GGarbz

Actually the Traction Lock did not exist when these trucks were built. The Traction Lock was new in mid 68 model year production and was released along with the Cobra Jet package for Mustang and intermediate cars. Prior to that all Ford 9 inch limited slips were Equa Locks except for Shelby's which had a Detroit Locker option. Hawkrod

[jbolivar]

If it had the 60 it was most likely ordered that way. you got the spicer/Dana if you wanted traction lock in a truck.

I have yet to see or meet a truck installed traction lock 9 inch factory rear. Ever wonder why there is a section on the spicer in the manuals for limited slip and no mention of it in the 9" section of factory shop manuals?

The XL don't count as DST put the 9" member in with the 4.88s and TL.

Toms pretty stout on the factory fables.

GGarbz

Actually the Traction Lock did not exist when these trucks were built. The Traction Lock was new in mid 68 model year production and was released along with the Cobra Jet package for Mustang and intermediate cars. Prior to that all Ford 9 inch limited slips were Equa Locks except for Shelby's which had a Detroit Locker option. Hawkrod

So you're saying that the Dana I have is the Powr-Lok?

[Hawkrod]

My post was in reference to the reason Traction Lock does not show up in the mid 60's shop manual. I am not familiar enough with early to mid 60's Dana's to know what they were called. Hawkrod

[crewzinforabrewzin]

seems my dana-60 is 3:73 gear ratio if i remember right, i'll have to crawl under there and look agin. sopose i should have a look at the door tag to confirm if its is stock or not.....could these Dana-60's be a something a customer could have special ordered?

[shawns fords]

I would think it really odd that a shortbed would have a D60 originally, but sccording to your door tag, the B5 axle code makes it a 4:10 ratio...definitely sounds like a D60 ratio.

4.10 : 1 is also a common 9" gear ratio. The D60 would be unusual in a short bed , but anything is possible. Sometimes Ford used whatever was available to keep a line running. I've found some unusual parts on un-molested cars in the past. That's what makes junk-yard hunting so much fun.

.

Unfortunately that is not quite true. If a truck was scheduled to have a 9 inch and there were none available the truck would be sidelinded, they would not intentionally install the wrong rear end. Especially when that rear end required different components like spring mounts and driveshafts. If a truck has a Dana 60 then it was scheduled to have a Dana 60. That is how it worked then and now. The assembly line does not build rear ends. The rear ends are ordered from the drivetrain plant and come pre assembled and scheduled to be installed. If they had 100 unit scheduled for assembly they ordered 100 rear ends (that is an example, an order would be for 1000's of rear ends). The assembly plants did not have huge piles of parts waiting to be used, they had the parts they needed to assemble scheduled units plus a percentage for failure. Unfortunately suggesting that Ford "used whatever they had" is just furthering a myth that has no basis in reality. Hawkrod

http://mysite.verizon.net/tcherry3/ford ... torial.htm

actually thats not quite true either, Many times, as a Dealer technician when a new model shipped to the Dealer, then sold, then come back with a part that failed and none available yet, the Manufacturer would have to pull the part from assembly line, it hapopened back then and does still to this day. If not there would be cars sitting at dealerships in the back for 6 months to a year waiting for the parts to be manufactured, Generally not every part on the vehicle is already in production to be sold or under warranty especially if its a new model or a new models part. I have had cars sit for 4-6 weeks waiting for a new part to come off the assembly line engines Rear ends or whatever was needed.

[jbolivar]

seems my dana-60 is 3:73 gear ratio if i remember right, i'll have to crawl under there and look agin. sopose i should have a look at the door tag to confirm if its is stock or not.....could these Dana-60's be a something a customer could have special ordered?

That's what I'm hearing. If someone wanted a posi back in 64, the most likely candidate would have been the Dana 60. The 9" wasn't available until later.

[Hawkrod]

4.10 : 1 is also a common 9" gear ratio. The D60 would be unusual in a short bed , but anything is possible. Sometimes Ford used whatever was available to keep a line running. I've found some unusual parts on un-molested cars in the past. That's what makes junk-yard hunting so much fun.

.

Unfortunately that is not quite true. If a truck was scheduled to have a 9 inch and there were none available the truck would be sidelinded, they would not intentionally install the wrong rear end. Especially when that rear end required different components like spring mounts and driveshafts. If a truck has a Dana 60 then it was scheduled to have a Dana 60. That is how it worked then and now. The assembly line does not build rear ends. The rear ends are ordered from the drivetrain plant and come pre assembled and scheduled to be installed. If they had 100 unit scheduled for assembly they ordered 100 rear ends (that is an example, an order would be for 1000's of rear ends). The assembly plants did not have huge piles of parts waiting to be used, they had the parts they needed to assemble scheduled units plus a percentage for failure. Unfortunately suggesting that Ford "used whatever they had" is just furthering a myth that has no basis in reality. Hawkrod

http://mysite.verizon.net/tcherry3/ford ... torial.htm

actually thats not quite true either, Many times, as a Dealer technician when a new model shipped to the Dealer, then sold, then come back with a part that failed and none available yet, the Manufacturer would have to pull the part from assembly line, it hapopened back then and does still to this day. If not there would be cars sitting at dealerships in the back for 6 months to a year waiting for the parts to be manufactured, Generally not every part on the vehicle is already in production to be sold or under warranty especially if its a new model or a new models part. I have had cars sit for 4-6 weeks waiting for a new part to come off the assembly line engines Rear ends or whatever was needed.

I am not sure why that makes my statement untrue? In fact, it has nothing to do with the assembly line process for building new vehicles and is an unrelated fact that does not make my statement "not quite true". Please be relevent and factual when you make corrections as you sadly mistaken on my statement being wrong in any way. If parts are drawn from the assembly line then they still have to be replaced as the assembly plant does not have piles of extra parts waiting to be used. Also, engines and drivetrain parts are very unlikely to be taken from stock at the vehicle assembly plant to be shipped to a dealer as the logistics makes it nearly impossible. If subcomponents are needed for warrantee they usually come from the component assembly plant, engines come from the engine assembly facilities and trans and rear ends are shipped from the drivetrain plants if they are not yet available at the parts warehouse. Having been a dealer tech I can say for sure that I have received components this way. Hawkrod

[shawns fords]

I state facts based on my own personal experiences, not from some crap I decided was the truth. I dont base any of my ideas on what someone else says only what I actually know. Have you ever have a vehicle brand new, that needed a part that was not yet available? I bet not. I have. you will sit there and wait for the fucking thing to get pulled off the assembly line. which can take weeks, then your going to say the manufacturer will put that vehicle off to the side because they dont have another? bullshit. they will put whatever there is available.

believe what you want, I go by personal experiences

[Fordified1]

My experiences with mis-matched parts have been in engine parts. Like a vehicle that was ordered with a std 429 4V showing up with a CJ intake/carb on it. My '98 Explorer's 5.0 engine was replaced under warranty with a 2000 spec engine which was pulled straight from the assembly plant because a '98 engine was not available. I found this out from the Ford Factory Rep, when I complained about the new engines performance compared to the original. The newer engine had internal changes to enhance fuel economy.

Not to mention that mix-ups or mistakes can and do happen. I'm not saying the Dana was not special ordered for the truck...It probably was.

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[Hawkrod]

I state facts based on my own personal experiences, not from some crap I decided was the truth. I dont base any of my ideas on what someone else says only what I actually know. Have you ever have a vehicle brand new, that needed a part that was not yet available? I bet not. I have. you will sit there and wait for the fucking thing to get pulled off the assembly line. which can take weeks, then your going to say the manufacturer will put that vehicle off to the side because they dont have another? bullshit. they will put whatever there is available.

believe what you want, I go by personal experiences

I am sorry but you still haven't answered the question? What do your posts have to do with anything regarding how a vehicle was originally built. I realize you don't know much about how this was done from your posts. I do have experience in both the service side and plenty of visits to the assembly plant. People like you who do not understand how a vehicle assembly plant works do not know that there are not huge piles of parts waiting to be used. The parts are not just sent to the plant in hopes that a car or truck may need it. That is not how the process works. You really need to experience it first hand before you start commenting on how it was done. Some of us are obviously much more knowledgable than you are in the field. I also think you do not have a clear understanding about how components are built. Engines are not built at the same place as cars. I think that is part of what has you confused. Engines come from the engine assembly plant, vehicles come from the vehicle assembly plant. These are two different places. When a new engine is needed and parts does not have them yet it will not come from the vehicle assembly plant, it will come from the engine assembly plant where they make them. As far as sidelined cars, there are often several dozen at any given moment and sometimes hundreds will sit in the lot in extreme cases. You write "I state facts based on my own personal experiences, not from some crap I decided was the truth" and yet that is exactly what you are doing. It is obvious from your post that you never worked an assembly plant and you do not understand the process, you are just making up fart gas and calling it the truth, the only BS here is what you wrote because I know you have no personal experience just based on what you wrote. Hawkrod

[ICEMAN6166]

found this one on craigslist.

http://anchorage.craigslist.org/pts/580190626.html

[Garbz]

Traction lock = ford generic term for a locking rear

Positraction = GMs generic term for a locking rear

Everyone on this planet knows cousin Vinne's girl cant be wrong...

If i called it a posi i would have had all the chevy haters on my back...

Dont care when it cam out.... If you wanted a limited slip type differential at the time of order you got the Dana/spicer. End of story. What may have been added at the dealer or by a PO who knows. The warranty plate will tell the tale of what rear was installed at the time fo manufacture.

Garbz