The messiah has come

[willy3486]

I am not predjudice against the political parties I just do not trust any of them . As far as liberal causing the causing the current economic crisis I don't agree with it. I think both sides of the political tree caused it. I think one of the biggest problems that caused it was the housing bubble which was caused by Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act sponsored by Phill Gramm. He was also McCains economic advisor. That deregulated the industry and did away laws that were created after the depression to prevent an economic meltdown. But wait there is more blame, Bill Clinton signed this and did not veto it. So fault goes to both sides. For more info on the history of it go to http://losangeles.injuryboard.com/misce ... ation.aspx
As far as Obama goes he taught constitutional law in Chicago. So hopefully he will work at what the constitution is about. The one good thing is hopefully he will put some GOP on his cabinet. As far as socialism goes I do think we need to help those who cannot help themselves, children elderly,etc. But these who will not work lets pull the rug from under them. I do think we need liberals in DC. But I also think we need conservative and those in the middle. We need a well rounded group of different ideas. Thats what we have missed a lot. Look at what has happened from 2000 on and what it has got us. Maybe a few years of this extreme then in 2010 it can be more balanced. As far as the extreme liberal plans happening I do not see it. not because they won't but because of the cost. WE are at the point of as a country that many of the countries will begin to not lend to us. So I see a attitude in DC that will not allow so many breaks for the businesses and then give those breaks to the working class. I personally am not fond of the trickle down ideas, Business is about profit and more profit. I expect the profits to go more for the investors and less for the workers. I do think is a company strives to have more production in the US it should get breaks. But if those jobs go over seas hit them hard with taxes and tariffs. Then on to Eskimos being actually Inuits . I think I had heard that before but forgot. I stand corrected. But I guess we all have some mixture in us. I found out I may even have Hebrew in me, Oy,vey! But thats fine with me.
Shalom to my slick brothers.

[The Big M]

As far as the extreme liberal plans happening I do not see it. not because they won't but because of the cost.

You may be right. I've thought the same thing myself. Socialism is friggin' expensive!

I certainly don't envy anyone who had to make the choice between the two parties, as the rhetoric and mudslinging is enough to make one's head spin. Here's hoping it all works out for the best. Good luck to all you Slicksters down there (or up there, in the case of Iceman).

But I guess we all have some mixture in us. I found out I may even have Hebrew in me, Oy,vey! But thats fine with me.
Shalom to my slick brothers.

[BigTim]

I think one of the biggest problems that caused it was the housing bubble which was caused by Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act sponsored by Phill Gramm.

Really I thought it was caused by this,

Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

which is straight out of the left leaning New York Times, look here http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A96F958260

[willy3486]

I think one of the biggest problems that caused it was the housing bubble which was caused by Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act sponsored by Phill Gramm.

Really I thought it was caused by this,

Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

which is straight out of the left leaning New York Times, look here http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A96F958260

Another example of what caused it. But I still think both sides caused it. Pressure from Clinton in this aspect and then the Gramm bill. Then I supect if we dig enough we will find many more reasons. But when you break it all down the root cause is greed. I suspect some people got more than they ever could afford and then the banks wanting more loans to make more money. I built my own home and took a loan for only 45k in the late 90s and today its almost paid off. I owe less than the cost of a good used car. But not everyone can settle for what they can afford. I settled for a 17 year old truck I am driving now. Its in great shape and drives good, but thats really all a person needs anyway. Its the same with houses, buy what you can afford.

[don luster]

IM going to say one more thing and just sit back and watch. I have been in many muslim countries serving my country from 1961 to 1999 and I have read much in the Koran and was a dorm partent to a full dorm of muslim students for several years. I don't trust any muslim period because their religion want to do away with all non muslims. So what does this do to comander in chief? Just have to wait and see. What does this do to our relationship with Israel? Has he cut some kind of deal with muslim already? Don't know? The bible speaks about the anti-christ coming out of the east- could it be him? Don't know? What about the president if he want swear on the bible? Don't know if he will or not? His voting record is well documented as the most liberal politician in Washington even over ted kennedy etc. Just have to watch learn listen write call and never relax for one moment.

[willy3486]

I have heard that about the Koran but I can't speak from knowledge, I have not read it. My guess is you have Muslims like christians today. There are so many different views in each its hard to tell what they stand for. You have people claiming to be christians then going out blowing up abortion clinics. Then you have christians who I think best show Christianity , they show love for one another. Same with Muslims. You have the extremist like the 9-11 nut jobs that hijacked a airplane all the way to the ones who got tired of chritianity and changed to muslim because of the violence they saw people do. I have seen some that claim they are muslim and renounce the violence. I personally do not think Obama is a muslim, I think he believes as a christian. I think he is just a man who wants the best for his country,even McCain has commented on Obama being a good family man. I do like some of Obamas ideas but I also like some McCain had. Likewise there is some of his ideas I do not like ,some of McCains I did not like either. But either way I would support and pray for either of them that would have become president . In other words I would have supported McCain in prayers and respect like I will try to do with Obama. I try to respect Bush as well but I do not agree with some of his ideas, I expect to disagree with some of Obamas ideas as well.


Personally I try not to condem anyone that has a different faith than mine, I just have my own Christian beliefs and stand firm on them. I almost got trapped in the religeous right holier than thou beliefs years ago and did not like the person I was becoming. So I searched the bible myself and what I discovered for me is that I need to have a forgiving attitude and unconditional love for others. So I try to live for that.

As far as Obama goes was a member of a church that did have a controversial preacher. Obama is also a politician. I think that last issue is why he stayed there. We have certain churches where people go to be in with the group that run the city so to speak. I do not think that is right. I went to a church for years then we got a new preacher. He preached more hate than love, more politics than the bible. I stayed there for a while because I was a member, but eventually I left due to his hate. I personally do not like extremes in liberal or conservative but after the 8 years we have been in my hope is that maybe it will balance out. But as far as antichrist goes thats not my expertise in the bible. I have seen info about Obama being the antichrist. Likewise I have also seen info of the antichrist being McCain,Pres Bush2,Clinton, Bush 1,Reagan,etc.So I have learned to not pay to much attention to the antichrist is this person, I choose to live as I interpet the way I should from the bible and live like I think I should. My hope is this and I am not trying to preach. This is for the Christians out there. We need to pray for this guy. We need to pray he does what is right and does not do harm to our nation. We need to pray that he is guided by the one true God. We need to pray that this country has a true revival of Godly love and not some political prayer meeting.

I am not trying to offend any Budist,muslims,flying spagetti monster worshipers,etc. I am offering my honest opinion and you are welcome to voice your opinion to me personally if you would like. I try not to bring reliegon or politics into the board but I do try to get people to understand others. I also would like to complement everyone on the change of attitude here. People have quit posting out of anger with the elections and posted their feelings and beliefs to what has happened. This has opened up honest discussion that I think will bring us together even if we never agree with each other , that is the way to work out issues for the better. My biggest hope for our leaders if they follow this path. In that they proceed to follow our founding fathers in that they voiced their opinions and worked out issues for the betterment of the country.

[DV65CustomCab]

Obama is not a Muslim. That is an internet myth. I believe some of his relatives were, but he is not. However, he did attend a christian church run by Mr Personality Rev Wright.
May want to brush up on Obama facts before believing everything you read on the interweb.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp

[fmartin_gila]

Don't believe snopes either. google up Snopes Unmasked. Just a man/wife team not checking out all things.

I too will sit back and wait to see what happens.

Fred

[Greg D]

This guy runs with the crowd that will come and get and crush all of our old cars & truck we love in the name of saving the earth. They will have to pull all of the troops in from everywhere to do this,
they are going to need ALL of them to take mine!

[Slick Fan]

It's so strange these days. It really seems as if everything's been turned upside down & inside out. The Democratic congress has one of the lowest, if not THE lowest APPROVAL RATINGS they've ever had in our country's history...yet, even more of them are elected into office this year.
A presidential candidate who wasn't even born in our country, has some funky name, obvious ties to shady people & organizations, who wants to "re-distribute wealth", among many other things...and the majority of the voters see this as no problem! It simply boggles my mind as to how this could even happen in a normal world.

I'm not normally a 'conspiracy theory' type of guy, but the only explanation I can think of in a situation like this is that we the sheeple don't actually have any control over who is put into office. It's all decided years beforehand by some group of people & the "vote" is only done to make us sheeple think that we have some say in the matter.
The media will push things this way or that, to make it seem as though the sheeple feel as though we've had some say in the matter...in the end, we get someone who has been picked by an agenda-driven committee or something.
I dunno. I'm probably wrong (or at least I hope I am), but it just seems this way at times.

Oh well, what's done is done & all we can do is hope sanity prevails. The upside is that now the Dems can't blame all their woes on Bush any longer...that just makes me laugh.




This is what I'm truly hoping for next go-round..............................and Palin for V.P.



By the way, I am in no way saying that we need to have a white person as president. Like someone stated a while back on this site, this country has been ready for a black president for a while, just not someone with the character of Obama. I agree.
If the system was currently right side up & seeing straight, there would be someone like Mr. Cosby running for president. A person with common sense for the black community & the country as a whole. A person who believes individuals should be held accountable for their own actions. I would vote for this guy in two seconds!

[62fridgebed]

Just a couple of quick points, I have been around long enough to see that the pendulum swings one way, then the other. It seems to have swung way the hell out this time, however. I am fairly certain, at least I try to reassure myself, that it will eventually come back. There are too many right (hehe) minded people out there to let this go on too long. My second point that I am aggravated about is, that so many people, IMO anyway, are led down the merry path by our biased, left-leaning mainstream media. Sure, there are alternatives to get the real story, but the average, casual TV viewer is bombarded with nothing less than 24-7 pro-Obama puff pieces and has been for many months now. They never were truly interested in anything other than getting him elected and I think that is shameful and dangerous. I am done now, carry on.

[prost66]

I'm with you Slick Fan!!!!! It blows my mind. Everyone wants something for nothing and no work

[ABA]

http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/10 ... -10262008/

Yeah I know it's from our media but it's still some scary stuff.

I'm just glad the election is over and gas here is now $1.95 a gal but for how long?

[willy3486]

I am so sick of this political BS I could scream. I be glad when I can check this site out for more than a day or two and not see this crap. I try to keep an open mind on politics and give politicians a chance to prove themselves. The dem party is bad for mind control but the GOP has got them beat. We have to make do with what we got. We had to make do with Bush for 8 years so now its Obama for at least 4. Bush wasn't my favorite but I did like some things about him. To me and this is my opinion the GOP has got to where if you don't drink their GOP koolaid you are deemed non patriotic, un americian, un christian ,etc. I am sick of all the spin but I am sick of the GOP the most. Mad magizine a few years back did a parody if Bush ran against Jesus. I could see them running a campaign against Jesus like that, they have run a campaign like that against others for years. You could see it at http://www.eschatonblog.com/2004/09/bush-vs-jesus.html

And yes I have voted for GOP before. But it gets less and less each time . And you know what I am not the only one fed up with it. If you look at the numbers this year the dems got a majority in everything. And the liberal media we hear of, that makes me laugh. Liberal news outlets and foxnews is like saying the KKK is going to do a fundraiser for the NAACP. Yes there is some liberal news out there, Oberman and madows are 2 that come to mind. But I personally check out lots of sites. May of them are over seas like Jewish news sites and the BBC as well. I think we need a new topic here on the web page. We could call it Barackaphobia and people could put all their latest conspiracy therories on there about how Obama was not born in the US, studies his Koran in his secret closet, does sceances to talk to dead hippies who want to take away guns, Estimate how many times a day his head spins around and spits out green pea soup. I know that sound rediculous but so does some of these "stories" about him I have heard in the last few months. They make about as much sense as the conspiracy theorists that say Bush planned 9-11 . I don't believe the crap about Obama any more than I do Bush planned 9-11.

Folks wake up, Bush has had a hard job with things like 9-11 and Katrina to name a few. And with Obama he has a hard job to do mopping up the crap caused by the last few years caused by BOTH parties, the economy,disasters and other things that have happened. Personally here is what I expect. Hopefully he will pull back from the extreme right and be more in the middle. Yes I do expect to see a push to limit firearms like machine guns. But I do not see that limit to extend to shotguns,firearms,and handguns. Why would anyone even need a machine gun. If you want to hunt a deer with a machine gun just shoot it with a rifle and put it in a wood chipper, you get the same effect. I don't think he will do the extreme socicialist handouts everyone screams. The main reason is the money. We have just about borrowed all we can in this country and we have no where to borrow. I personally expect his hands to be tied with winding down the war and working on the economy for the most part.

My hope is that he will do a good job and get us back on track. I hope he does things to get jobs back in this country and help the businesses that create or keep jobs here in the us. I hope he does as good as many think he can and not fail like the GOP is hoping he does. That way the GOP will be forced to look at their dirty rove tactics that many americans voiced their opinion over by voting blue. The GOP needs to get back to what they say they are ,small govt, balanced budgets,etc. They have not been that for years. The last 8 years govt spending has went out of control. I don't understand how anyone could do the dirty tricks as I have seen this year from the GOP. The Dole thing of my opponent is a atheist all the time knowing her opponent was a Christian that was once a sunday school teacher was one of the worst. I heard one person say that republicans needed to learn that GOD did not have a P on the end of it.

[Fanatic]

OK OK Willy we got your opinion. 15,000 word posts are not going to change our minds just like facts wont change yours. I am not looking at conspiracy theories at all, but The FACT is.........he never hung with the type people that I would . Point is ---going to weekly KKK doesnt make you a member but it sure doesnt look very good on your resume.

The other side is......even tho the majority voted for him--that majority is mostly Urban people. Now where are most of the government hand-outs---hmmmmm urban America---I see a pattern here.

The working Americans did not vote for him.

I can't understand voting in a President to see if he'll do a good job. I would hope you are proven before getting the job.

Tim

[ICEMAN6166]

if reading the post was so irritating and bothered me so much i think i could keep from reading it and after a few days it would be a couple inches down the page and well...

its over.
so it did not turn out the way i would have liked.
life goes on.
still had to cut and split wood.

[64 litl un]

Well I'll start first with the Second Amendment. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Well regulated militia, does not mean the National Guard. In 1787 their still was an enemy organized and shooting on the frontiers of our young nation. The British were still behind the Indian raids from Fort Detroit in the north and Pensacola in the south. Able bodied men from 16-60 were subject to be called into action. If called they were expected to have arms.
Just four years out of the War for Independence the importance of the militia and citizen soldier were fresh in the minds of the writers of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
They new that victory would have been impossible if arms had not been available to the populace. Battles like Saratoga, Kings Mountain, Cowpens and Guilford Courthouse confirm this.
Without the armed citizen there would have been no United States. Also without armed citizens there would be no United States.
If you have registered with selective service, you are part of the Militia.
In 1787 a frontier longrifle or fowler could stand it's own against regulars with muskets if the tactics were tailored to the weapon i.e. frontier tactics or NDN fightin. The battles of King's Mountain and Saratoga prove this.
The Second Amendment mentions nothing about the sporting use of arms. The Second Amendment is the final check in the check and balance system of our government.
In an invasion an enemy would have to face an armed populace. This is where it gets dark. If a Tyrant were to come to power he or they would haft to face an armed populace.
A machine gun is restricted by the gun control act of 1934. A background check and special stamp is required to own one. The crimes committed by legally owned machine guns can be numbered on one hand since 1934. Why would anyone want to own one? Because they have the right too.
A semi auto or assault weapon the term the media likes to use is currently legal to own. This includes weapons like M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, AK, SKS, Ruger 10-22, Colt 1911 45, Browning BAR hunting not 1918, Remington 742, Remington 1100, and many other military and sporting arms can be classified as assault type weapons.
Just as the frontier longrifle was effective against the Brown Bess Musket in 1781, the semi auto sporting-assault type rifles would be effective against M-16s and AK 47s.
If the populace is disarmed how will we protect ourselves from a tyrant? Will we just line up for our turn in the gas chamber like the Jews in WWII?

[slick4x4]

its over.
so it did not turn out the way i would have liked.
life goes on.
still had to cut and split wood.

been there , done that , and will continue too

be a good lesson for them politicians , cut enough firewood to heat the whitehouse for a year. might understand the working man a little better

[willy3486]

Did the election turn out the way I would have liked? NO WAY!!! I would have liked two different people to have been the choices but I can't change that. Obama isn't with the group I would run around with either. But then neither is McCain. Mcain wouldn't even give me a second thought,he is a millionare and we have nothing in common. I do have a issue with saying the "working people" voted for Obama. I know plenty of fine ,decent, hard working people that holds down one or two jobs that voted for Obama. Likewise I know some that are the same decent hard working people for McCain. As far as facts goes I have tried to present facts here but some people choose to say its liberal biased. As far as anyone being experenced for president I don't think there is any way to be experenced. Yes some have more years in the political arena but that is the hardest job a person could ever take on. As far as outcry goes from the right to bear arms wheres the outcry of the other infringement of out rights we have had in the last few years?

Here I guess is my point of view. Its not that I like Obama its I do not like how closed minded Americians have become. When presented with information that is negative about thier candidate the attitude is " I don't believe it or its politically biased in favor of the other candidate. If thats not the attitude the sometimes it completely ignored and the info is slammed as being unAmerician. Then there is the stuff that people will come out that they try to favor their candidate. Things like a president should only be a veteran. Or a president should be this or that or have this experence. Whould I like someone to be vet? You bet. But I would not hold it against them if they had not been a vet. But the fact remains that if someone is over 35 and born in America they can run. I think we need to not make so many requirements because what can happen is that if one group has their way they can effectively pass laws that only candidates that fit their beliefs can run. That would be dangerous.

The last 8 years have been hard on me. No I am not one of those liberal do nothings wanting a handout. I have worked hard all my life and cannot stand lazy people who will not support themselves. I have went from having the best job I have ever had to being laid off and out of a decent job for a year and a half. No I didn't get welfare during that time. I worked like a dog at any job I could find. I finally got a job at about half what I was making. Then after that prices of everything starts going up. So now most of what I buy has went up 50-100% My question is this as far as the gov goes. When is it going to look after the working class like me? When we get a GOP to me it seems like they are looking out for the rich. Then we get a dem in and it gets to looking out for special interests and lazy people. So where does that leave me?

I have had the issue of lazy people slap me in the face so I have no use for lazy people who will not support themselves.My wife and I have been the children that have been there for their parents. My wifes brother was too busy with work and church so he was not there for them at times . My sister is the very type of moocher that expects a gov handout and also expects everyone to help her. I quit helping her years ago and do not do the poor little sister you have it hard routine. Because of not helping keep up my sister my mother today will not have much to do with me. What I do not understand is the fact we were raised by hardworking parents. I also have worked hard all my life and have something to show for it , at least now if our economy doesn't completely crap out then everything would be worthless. So you see if anyone can get discusted at deadbeats it is me.If my sister had not taken advantage of my parents they would have been well off and my dad may have still been around.

So I am not so different than many here who would have prefered McCain. I am a hard worker and have something to show for it. When I wanted a new house I worked for it. I did most of the work myself and buit it for about 45k with 4000 square feet in the late 90s. Today I will have it paid off hopefully next year. When I wanted a workshop did I complain and want a freebee? No I found two old barns that the two old guys with health problems wanted down. So not only did I do twice the work to get it but I helped out two hard working old farmersthat had retired who could not do it for themselves. Then when I got a tractor to build up a shed for it I tore down a old house for a widow who wanted it removed. She had a newer house and she was afraid someone would use it to make meth in. When I wanted my slick redone I rebuit it entirely myself, even though I am not a mechanic. So one thing I have learned is if you want something do the hard work to get it. So if you don't like my posts length just don't read them and slam me as a liberal. I don't know what I am politically because I don't fit in with either side. I think people should get off their lazy buts and work because government should be small and only do a few things like roads,military and law enforcement. I do think as a country we do need to take care of the handicapped and elderly. And no handicapped is some lazy bitc* to lazy to work but a person that is paralized or other some thing like that. And the elderly should have the social security, the older you get it gets harder to do what you once did. That really doesn't sound like what either party stands for in DC. they both have their special interests they bow down to .

[winr]

Hey willy3486..

You sound really upset...is it because of someone on the forum in particular or our way of life going downhill or both ??

I hope you have a nice Sunday


Richard.