Slick Hauler

Michelle · Post by **Michelle** » July 10, 2009, 1:04 pm

I made a picture day before yesterday of my truck with the trailer behind it. The trailer is 48 feet with a 5 foot dovetail on it. That is long enough to haul three slicks at one time. I think that would look pretty cool pulling into Altoona next year.

65Lover · Post by **65Lover** » July 10, 2009, 1:18 pm

What do you charge to haul to Altoona and back? Would make a nice addition to the Texas convoy!

36truck · Post by **36truck** » July 10, 2009, 1:40 pm

That's a great idea Michelle load em up & move em out.

Michelle · Post by **Michelle** » July 10, 2009, 2:17 pm

65Lover wrote: What do you charge to haul to Altoona and back? Would make a nice addition to the Texas convoy!

I guess that's the good news, technically I cannot charge anything. I am running antique plates on my truck and a private trailer plate on my trailer. With that combination of plates I cannot haul anything for hire. By law I am totally non commercial and can haul only my own things.

R Pope · Post by **R Pope** » July 10, 2009, 8:41 pm

The aluminum Budds make her look great! What are you running for power?

Michelle · Post by **Michelle** » July 10, 2009, 9:21 pm

R Pope wrote:The aluminum Budds make her look great! What are you running for power?

It has a 220 Cummins with a thirteen speed and 391 rears

oldtrucks · Post by **oldtrucks** » July 11, 2009, 2:14 am

Michelle

What you do for your friends is none of the governments business. Do you still have to go through the scales?

Gary Seymour · Post by **Gary Seymour** » July 11, 2009, 6:06 am

Nice rig!!

Uh, whats going on at Altoona next year?

Michelle · Post by **Michelle** » July 11, 2009, 9:59 am

oldtrucks wrote:Michelle

What you do for your friends is none of the governments business. Do you still have to go through the scales?

By the letter of the law I do not have to go through the scales because I am a non commercial vehicle. But, when you are traveling, especially out of state and you are faced with a stubborn scale master that has a badge and a gun, that will sometimes argue differently. Like in Iowa for instance. The sign at the scales reads "ALL TRUCKS MUST ENTER SCALES" The scale man could argue that it does not say commercial vehicles, but all trucks. I Have found that when driving a vehicle that was once a commercial vehicle or one that looks like it could be a commercial vehicle especially when you are pulling a long trailer that it is best to enter the scales just to avoid confrontation. I do carry a CDL and a health certification card with me for the sake of argument. Most of the time when you go into the scales they will wave you on through and not mess with you when they see you are an antique vehicle. Sometimes you will have to go in and explain yourself and educate the scale master that you aren't commercial and indeed that you are an antique vehicle. Sometimes it is easy and sometimes it is harder. You have to consider where some of these people are coming from. For the most part they are either minimum or near minimum wage people. They carry a badge and gun that give them the feeling that that have a certain amount of power over you. It is unfortunate that while many are good decent people that there are a few that are not. These are the ones that will give you a hard time. I personally have never been given a ticket at a scale house, but I do have friends that are in my big truck club that has got unwarranted tickets before. The bottom line is we really do not live in a free country, while I drive a truck that is purely an antique vehicle and is licensed as such I will be treated much differently then a guy driving a 1966 F-100 to the same truck show. While I could probably get away with hauling someone else's slick on my truck, I would have to lie to the scale master if he ask me who they belonged to telling him they belonged to me. If he choose to run the license number on the truck and it came back registered to someone else, he would probably accuse me of lying and think I was hauling it for hire, thus giving me a ticket. On the other hand you can be up front and say that "No it is not my truck that I am hauling, it belongs to my friend or brother in law or what ever and no he is not paying me to haul it. I was going any way and volunteered to haul it for him." This will fly with a reasonable man, but not with one of the above mentioned ones that are eager to see how many tickets he can give.

oldtrucks · Post by **oldtrucks** » July 11, 2009, 4:50 pm

Michelle

Point well taken. I've been around the trucking industry but not a direct participent, my brother and a long time friend are and I should have known before I even said what I did. I am used to hauling things around on small trailers and behind pickups so i haven't had to face a scale agent but I have heard hundreds of stories most of which I beleive are true.

oldtrucks · Post by **oldtrucks** » July 11, 2009, 9:32 pm

Michelle
Here is a couple of pictures of the F7 I have.
It has the big lincoln 336 CID flathead 4 speed and brownie.

Michelle · Post by **Michelle** » July 11, 2009, 11:43 pm

That is a really neat old Ford. I have always had a fascination with the big Fords. The old F7 and F8 were always appealing to me. I was once metal detecting near an old house place looking for some old coins or what ever I could find and my metal detector started going crazy and I dug up a stainless badge from the side of the hood of a 51 Ford F7 Big Job. I still have that name badge to this day. Aside from my N 950. I also owned a 65 model T950 with a 534 in it, a 55 F600 and a 56 C600. All were neat old Fords
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64fordf100292v8 · Post by **64fordf100292v8** » July 12, 2009, 1:33 am

I want to see that 220 Cummins rolling coal as you shift through the gears!!!

6166 Junkyard Dog · Post by **6166 Junkyard Dog** » July 12, 2009, 8:05 am

Nice looking truck,, BUT LETS TOUCH On laws,,,, Since wqe do run all size trucks laws chnage everday ANY Combo over GVWR'S On data plates 26,001 or over or truck with GVWR'S 26,001 MUST have CDL's , medical card log book subject TO ALL DOT LAWS AND if running scales some states is a fine ++++ 3 points against drivers license regardless what kind of vehicle it is PRIVATE CARRIER NOT FOR HIRE ETC... and if running across state line must have DOT # IFTA Sticker, apportioned plate for states, EXAMPLE If caught without that state you will be fined to value of vehicle.. NOW Some states+++ Federal have now said any vehicles OVER 10,000 GVWR'S is now commercial and rememeber this does not make a difference empty loaded bob tailing which means taht any DOT Officer can subject you to DOT Laws and some states want names on the doors since if you go to grocery store pick up a gallon of milk its commercial and if they want to enforce can subject to full 9 yards of inpection if radar detector in truck that is over 10,000 will get tickted ++ points,, AZ Is one state where I see Campers going through scales for quick insp. we go to a lot of places one company in NC I kepttelling them laws,, WELL One day got pulled, Officer told him park it, under arrest then tell your boss buy new set of tags and while you at it send a driver with a CDL,, anothercompany while in Atlanta pulling a empty trailer got pulled , then parked out of service, taken to jail and court appearance for no CDL'S ++ ALL the other items,, another case just a few months ago another friend pulled up to to the toll both in Pa. like he done before well after he left had over 600.00 in fines , we had to show him how to do log book +++ no DOT# Federal insp and the list went on,, going into Fl.. if you do not stop at agriculture center you can be run done,,, Time after Time I see trucks pulled by Dot,, not to talk to much but when we cross scales most every officer sees just the IFTA Stickers and numbers just wave us through , we even had them say that we are one of the few with everthing , they said we cannot get everyone but your number can be pulled at any given time , I know it took 2 years before we got burnt and that was about 8 years ago also my trucks say NOT FOR HIRE PRIVATE CARRIER ETCC... Thats does NOT Mean anything cause they go by the GVWR'S On data plates........

modeleh · Post by **modeleh** » July 12, 2009, 10:48 am

Michelle, that sure is a beautiful truck you have. I had somehow stumbled upon your website a few years ago, (which is very good, btw), looking for some Falcon info I think, and had admired the truck and the rest of your collection then. Your rig would sure look great with some old fords or tractors of any kind on the back. One day I'd like to put one of my Model As on the back of my '32 BB when I get it done.

Unibodyguy1 · Post by **Unibodyguy1** » July 12, 2009, 2:03 pm

Great picture!! I hope it makes it to Slick Stock. Tom and you are both right about Scales and the people that run them. Here in NV they are run by the State Patrol and are very strict. My cousin and I ran into a problem in Iowa once and got the riot act. The guy told us we were over loaded with an empty trailor (flatbed) and we thought he was kidding and both laughed. Well he of course he did a 1 hr inspection and was a real jerk because we laughted. No tickets or fines out of it just a big head ache and nothing to fool around with.

Michael

Michelle · Post by **Michelle** » July 12, 2009, 2:30 pm

6166 Junkyard Dog wrote:Nice looking truck,, BUT LETS TOUCH On laws,,,, Since wqe do run all size trucks laws chnage everday ANY Combo over GVWR'S On data plates 26,001 or over or truck with GVWR'S 26,001 MUST have CDL's , medical card log book subject TO ALL DOT LAWS AND if running scales some states is a fine ++++ 3 points against drivers license regardless what kind of vehicle it is PRIVATE CARRIER NOT FOR HIRE ETC... and if running across state line must have DOT # IFTA Sticker, apportioned plate for states, EXAMPLE If caught without that state you will be fined to value of vehicle.. NOW Some states+++ Federal have now said any vehicles OVER 10,000 GVWR'S is now commercial and rememeber this does not make a difference empty loaded bob tailing which means taht any DOT Officer can subject you to DOT Laws and some states want names on the doors since if you go to grocery store pick up a gallon of milk its commercial and if they want to enforce can subject to full 9 yards of inpection if radar detector in truck that is over 10,000 will get tickted ++ points,, AZ Is one state where I see Campers going through scales for quick insp. we go to a lot of places one company in NC I kepttelling them laws,, WELL One day got pulled, Officer told him park it, under arrest then tell your boss buy new set of tags and while you at it send a driver with a CDL,, anothercompany while in Atlanta pulling a empty trailer got pulled , then parked out of service, taken to jail and court appearance for no CDL'S ++ ALL the other items,, another case just a few months ago another friend pulled up to to the toll both in Pa. like he done before well after he left had over 600.00 in fines , we had to show him how to do log book +++ no DOT# Federal insp and the list went on,, going into Fl.. if you do not stop at agriculture center you can be run done,,, Time after Time I see trucks pulled by Dot,, not to talk to much but when we cross scales most every officer sees just the IFTA Stickers and numbers just wave us through , we even had them say that we are one of the few with everthing , they said we cannot get everyone but your number can be pulled at any given time , I know it took 2 years before we got burnt and that was about 8 years ago also my trucks say NOT FOR HIRE PRIVATE CARRIER ETCC... Thats does NOT Mean anything cause they go by the GVWR'S On data plates........

First let me give you some back ground on where I am coming from here. While I am a retired Air Force officer I have always been closely tied to the trucking industry. I was married 29 years to a man in the trucking business and am very familiar with the laws that govern trucks in this country and the constant changing of them. Since my retirement I have served with the American Trucking Association (ATA) and am currently serving on the board of the American Truck Historical Society (ATHS) making three board meetings a year in various parts of the country. The ATHS is an association that is 23,000 strong making it a fairly good sized organization. I have many friends in this organization that have large trucks and travel several thousand miles a year across this country to truck shows and back home. I personally have driven my truck in many different states too. Between a half a dozen people that I know personally in the society they have collectively been in all 48 contiguous United States and all are running antique or restricted plates. Not to mention all the others in this organization that have traveled through the states in former commercial vehicles. The ATHS has representatives every year attend IFTA convention and other state and federal DOT seminars for the explicit reason of educating officials on the use of old trucks as antique vehicles.

What I said in my earlier post is dead on the money as to the way things are.

Nice looking truck,, BUT LETS TOUCH On laws,,,, Since wqe do run all size trucks laws chnage everday ANY Combo over GVWR'S On data plates 26,001 or over or truck with GVWR'S 26,001 MUST have CDL's , medical card log book subject TO ALL DOT LAWS

Being totally familiar with the laws that govern trucks I will say that some states do require that you do have a CDL for any vehicle over 26,000 lbs. while others don't. For example I got two different answers for the same question here in the state Texas. One saying that if it was not commercial that I did not need a CDL. On another call a week later for something else I talked with another person at the DPS and ask the same question, he said that you did need a CDL for anything over 26,000 lbs. hence the reason I do carry a CDL. It is easier to be safe than sorry because of someone's ignorance of the law. But a log book is not required because we are totally not commercial and log books apply to commercial operators only.

running scales some states is a fine ++++ 3 points against drivers license regardless what kind of vehicle it is PRIVATE CARRIER NOT FOR HIRE ETC... and if running across state line must have DOT # IFTA Sticker, apportioned plate for states, EXAMPLE If caught without that state you will be fined to value of vehicle.. NOW Some states+++ Federal have now said any vehicles OVER 10,000 GVWR'S is now commercial and rememeber this does not make a difference empty loaded bob tailing which means taht any DOT Officer can subject you to DOT Laws and some states want names on the doors since if you go to grocery store pick up a gallon of milk its commercial and if they want to enforce can subject to full 9 yards of inpection

A private carrier not for hire does no mean you are not commercial. The definition of a private carrier is someone that is hauling their own commodities for profit or resale and are not hauling for hire for anyone else. If I have a retail store in Austin and a warehouse in Dallas and I haul my own goods between the two points and never haul anyone else's goods or products then I am a private carrier not for hire. I am however still a commercial vehicle subject to all DOT laws because while I am hauling my own goods I am hauling them to make a profit or to resale them at a profit. I would never be so uneducated as to put private carrier not for hire on the door of my truck. Many of the trucks that belong to our organization have a sign that reads "Historic non Commercial Vehicle not for Hire." A private carrier could never get away with running antique plates on their trucks. I have antique plates in my truck or what is called YOM plates (year of manufacture) My plates are Texas 1967 truck tractor plates and would have been the correct plate for my truck in 1967. That was before apportioned plates and the days when you ran prorate plates and special plates for the various states you ran in. The days when the entire front bumper was covered with plates. A truck with antique or YOM plates regardless of size is still an antique vehicle and not subject to DOT rules and is totally different from a private carrier. I can recite you cases where a truck registered with antique plates was cited by a DOT officer and the ticket was thrown out when it got to court because the truck was non commercial. I just returned from The ATHS national convention in Huntsville Alabama this past month. There were over six hundred big trucks there that came from as far away as California and the New England area and the majority came there with antique of limited use plates as non commercial vehicles without any DOT problems. As for as IFTA stickers most states will give the old trucks with antique plates a free pass on them. The states that are still a little sticky about it will usually not mess with you if you show them a fuel ticket where you bought fuel in that state. As for a buying a gallon of milk or a few groceries that will not get you in trouble as that is for personal consumption. Now if I had a whole trailer load of milk on antique plates that might be a little hard to explain

we go to a lot of places one company in NC I kepttelling them laws,, WELL One day got pulled, Officer told him park it, under arrest then tell your boss buy new set of tags and while you at it send a driver with a CDL,, anothercompany while in Atlanta pulling a empty trailer got pulled , then parked out of service, taken to jail and court appearance for no CDL'S ++ ALL the other items,, another case just a few months ago another friend pulled up to to the toll both in Pa. like he done before well after he left had over 600.00 in fines , we had to show him how to do log book +++ no DOT# Federal insp and the list went on,, going into Fl.. if you do not stop at agriculture center you can be run done,,, Time after Time I see trucks pulled by Dot,, not to talk to much but when we cross scales most every officer sees just the IFTA Stickers and numbers just wave us through , we even had them say that we are one of the few with everthing , they said we cannot get everyone but your number can be pulled at any given time , I know it took 2 years before we got burnt and that was about 8 years ago also my trucks say NOT FOR HIRE PRIVATE CARRIER ETCC... Thats does NOT Mean anything cause they go by the GVWR'S On data plates........

What you are saying here about all the fines and problems you are having goes back to what I said above. There is a big difference between a Private Carrier that is a commercial operation and an antique or restricted plate non commercial vehicle. I will be the first to admit that there are still some gray areas when it comes to big trucks, but because of all the work done through the ATHS over the years the gray areas are becoming less and less. We are expecting with in the next couple of years to reach an agreement with all the states on a non commercial IFTA sticker for antique truck only. It is a way to diminish additional confusion in states where that may be an issue. Mostly it is education of the state DOT and the scale people. As I say it has steadily got better over the years and that is due to education. I am not saying that the scale people will not give you a hard time because it does happen some time, as mentioned above it is a gray area. Most tickets that are given out are given out in error and can be beat if you want to take the time to go back and fight them which in most cases aren't worth it. I have been lucky and with about ten thousand miles of driving in my truck and most of those miles out of state I have never been ticketed. I get waved through the scales most of the time and from time to time do have to go in and explain myself. In most instances I am able to educate the scale master and be on my way without any problems. Some were a little reluctant to let me go but finally did agree that I was non commercial.

factorystock · Post by **factorystock** » July 12, 2009, 2:46 pm

Thanks for another great picture of the N series truck Michelle. Do you have a picture of the 65 T 950? The T 950 is one of my favorite models and came with the 38,000lb - 44,000lb rear tandem axles. It seems like half the country(western states) used Budd wheels and the other half (eastern states) used Cast spoke wheels.A popular Budd aluminum wheel in the 60's were the 5 hole style and would look cool on your truck.

Michelle · Post by **Michelle** » July 12, 2009, 4:08 pm

factorystock wrote:Thanks for another great picture of the N series truck Michelle. Do you have a picture of the 65 T 950? The T 950 is one of my favorite models and came with the 38,000lb - 44,000lb rear tandem axles. It seems like half the country(western states) used Budd wheels and the other half (eastern states) used Cast spoke wheels.A popular Budd aluminum wheel in the 60's were the 5 hole style and would look cool on your truck.

Here are a few pictures of the T 950 I had. I traded a 56 F 600 for it while I was living in Colorado. I sold the T 950 when I left Colorado for Texas.

6166 Junkyard Dog · Post by **6166 Junkyard Dog** » July 12, 2009, 4:43 pm

well I am not going to debate here on what you think is right.... FEDERAL LAW ANYTHING OVER 26,001 Needs CDL period end of story If you are over 26,001 you will be cited for no CDL Regardless of vehicle That law since it was adopted in the early mid-90's ,, NEXT we are a private carrier DOES NOT MEAN XXXX When you cross that state line ALL VEHICLES OVER 10,000 Lbs are now considered commercial,, We cross many scales in this country and many DOT Inspections so I DO KNOW THE LAWS which does included Texas,,,, and this is not my first time do trucking either LOG BOOKS apply to anybody thats is over 26,001 GVWR'S On data plate or combo UNDER 26,000 Is differtent set of rules and like I said and I see it many times I see many Dually behind scales or past the scales pulled over for most reasons no DOT#'S NAMES ETCCCCC NOW Tell me then why we are private carrier,, says on my Registration Private Carrier and My plates are 495 a year +++ insurance policy 1,000,000, that had to get just to talk to License Plate Office about getting a plate,,, Bottom Line is I will continue doing the way we do and keep laughing at all the Fools that have been put out of service cause of not paying attention,, One thing is not 2 DOT Officers can agree with the same laws that are Federal Law,,, If you have noticed which I doubt a lot more states are enforcing truck plates when buying a new truck on anything over 10,000 GVWR'S On data plates now,, I do not run 48 states without knowing the laws,,, been DOT and checked across I-20 in Texas, Ms. La.,, Back Roads in Colorado, N.M.,, I-15 in Ca, Nevada, Utah,,, not including all the ports in Az,,+++ A lot more that I could go on and on especially on insurance laws and whats not covered and is but I have said enough on this ,,, anyway still nice truck

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