Slick Hauler

[Michelle]

well I am not going to debate here on what you think is right.... FEDERAL LAW ANYTHING OVER 26,001 Needs CDL period end of story If you are over 26,001 you will be cited for no CDL Regardless of vehicle That law since it was adopted in the early mid-90's ,, NEXT we are a private carrier DOES NOT MEAN XXXX When you cross that state line ALL VEHICLES OVER 10,000 Lbs are now considered commercial,, We cross many scales in this country and many DOT Inspections so I DO KNOW THE LAWS which does included Texas,,,, and this is not my first time do trucking either LOG BOOKS apply to anybody thats is over 26,001 GVWR'S On data plate or combo UNDER 26,000 Is differtent set of rules and like I said and I see it many times I see many Dually behind scales or past the scales pulled over for most reasons no DOT#'S NAMES ETCCCCC NOW Tell me then why we are private carrier,, says on my Registration Private Carrier and My plates are 495 a year +++ insurance policy 1,000,000, that had to get just to talk to License Plate Office about getting a plate,,, Bottom Line is I will continue doing the way we do and keep laughing at all the Fools that have been put out of service cause of not paying attention,, One thing is not 2 DOT Officers can agree with the same laws that are Federal Law,,, If you have noticed which I doubt a lot more states are enforcing truck plates when buying a new truck on anything over 10,000 GVWR'S On data plates now,, I do not run 48 states without knowing the laws,,, been DOT and checked across I-20 in Texas, Ms. La.,, Back Roads in Colorado, N.M.,, I-15 in Ca, Nevada, Utah,,, not including all the ports in Az,,+++ A lot more that I could go on and on especially on insurance laws and whats not covered and is but I have said enough on this ,,, anyway still nice truck



First off, Why are you attacking me? Do you attack all new people that show up on this board or it is just women? I didn't just arbitrarily start posting this information without knowing something about what I was talking about. This knowledge has been gained by many phone calls to the DMV, DOT and other regulatory agencies over the years by myself and many others just like me that drive these older trucks. I am stating the facts as they are. I am sorry that you don't agree with me but I believe that the state of Texas would not have issued me antique plates for my truck if they were illegal for my truck. My registration clearly states that my truck is registered as an antique vehicle and is not legal for commercial operation. I can't state it any more clearly than that.

well I am not going to debate here on what you think is right.... FEDERAL LAW ANYTHING OVER 26,001 Needs CDL period end of story

Your not going to debate? Every time I say something you have something negative to say about it. Sounds to me like your wanting to debate, argue or say I am just plain wrong about most anything I say. Did you not read my post where I said that I got two different answers about having to have a CDL? Did you not read where I said I have a CDL so that I know that I am covered?

NEXT we are a private carrier DOES NOT MEAN XXXX When you cross that state line ALL VEHICLES OVER 10,000 Lbs are now considered commercial

Did you not read my explanation of what a private carrier is and that I am not a private carrier? I am registered as an antique vehicle, what part of that do you not understand? All vehicles over ten thousand pounds are not considered commercial. I am over ten thousand pounds and not considered commercial and have been challenged any number of times and crossed countless state lines. How do you think all these people that drive all these old trucks (over ten thousand pounds) to the truck shows get by with it on antique plates?

NOW Tell me then why we are private carrier,, says on my Registration Private Carrier and My plates are 495 a year +++ insurance policy 1,000,000, that had to get just to talk to License Plate Office about getting a plate,,,

That is exactly why your plates are 495.00 dollars a year, your a private carrier. I am not a private carrier, my plates only cost me 10.00 dollars a year. I gave a detailed explanation of what a private carrier was verses a truck plated with antique or restricted plates, for goodness sakes read it and you will understand that there is a difference.

One thing is not 2 DOT Officers can agree with the same laws that are Federal Law,,,

Finally something we can both agree on. However most do agree that an antique plate is not commercial. Not all of them because there are still a few that we have to educate but most do agree that a truck with antique plates is not commercial.

,,, anyway still nice truck

Thank you, at least that's one more thing we can agree on.

I get along with everybody and even get along with people I do not care much for and I am trying hard to not be mean spirited here, but this is the second post that I have made that you have had something negative to say about me on. The first last week I tried to tactfully reply conceding that I was wrong on some points but at the same time there were some points I was right about. You came back and started on me for my reply. I decided not to respond and let it ride, after all people have a bad day sometimes and say things that they would not normally say. Then today you start on me again. What do you have against me? I have never done anything wrong to you or said anything bad about you. I would love to just get along here and live peacefully without all the drama. I enjoy this board and like the people on it. I would love to be able to come here and enjoy the common bond that we all share in the slicks without being berated. I bet if I met you at a truck show that you would turn out to be a really nice guy. So lighten up a little and have some fun.

[6166 Junkyard Dog]

I am not attacking anybody , just stating the facts as we live with most everday,,, +++ have been driving trucks since 1973 in most forms especially running coast to coast from 73-91 4 trips a month and my wife Kathy I can was one of the few woman driving cross country way before now its common.. so by far have not picked you out like I say most everday when I am in one of our 3 trucks we are under DOT'S Laws but every one of out trucks say not for hire still have apportioned or weighted tags I know we have a major scale 20 minutes from the house that if I need to ask a ? can go to , and not knocking Texas but they only have scales open when the feel the need,, and when I go to swap meets seeing what other people do I just shake my head ans say there number will be up,, example just to repeat friend out of Ohio sells 48-56 parts F-350 with trailer no names pulled up coming Carlisle at the toll booth , DOT Sitting pulled him after was said and done no log book, no dot # 's, medical, etc. etc. and this after talking about it saying one day your number is tried to tell him that , that was at Ford come over to me explained the Laws gave him a blank log book , showed him what to do, where to get a US Dot # ,, saw him at Pigeon Forge got it started on doing it just all that,, even truck drivers across this whole country when they ? us crossing scales oh yes we load trucks and its our business but we are private, but in the eyes of 90% of the officers private does not mean xxxx especially in Texas with 828 miles dot at most places across 20 or 10 or 287 or 40,, one officer in sweetwater said I like duallys or something like your truck, thats money cause 95% or illegal so it gets them made when they walk up to us see all numbers in place quick check and gone,, I even see them look like going to cry cause they thought they had a big fish anyaway this is our life, and fixing to run another 7000 mile trip

[kstones63]

The federal laws are so tough on the truck driver, it's a wonder that anybody even wants to do it.
I pulled a 35' fifth wheel behind my pickup plus a 16' flatbed behind that for a while and never had any trouble with the law on that. AZ DMV told me that this was legal. Commercial plates (weight rating over 8800#)on the truck and the state of AZ told me that all I needed was a regular driver's license and do not stop at scales. I have pulled trailers all my life so it wasn't a problem for me but watching some of the Bozo's pulling this combination was pretty scary.
It doesn't make sense that they are so easy on some and tough on others.
Kevin

[bluebolt]

The federal laws are so tough on the truck driver, it's a wonder that anybody even wants to do it.
I pulled a 35' fifth wheel behind my pickup plus a 16' flatbed behind that for a while and never had any trouble with the law on that. AZ DMV told me that this was legal. Commercial plates (weight rating over 8800#)on the truck and the state of AZ told me that all I needed was a regular driver's license and do not stop at scales. I have pulled trailers all my life so it wasn't a problem for me but watching some of the Bozo's pulling this combination was pretty scary.
It doesn't make sense that they are so easy on some and tough on others.
Kevin

It look like if your gross weight WITH trailer is under 26,001 pounds you are OK according to the FMCSA website. The antique plates covering a large truck and not requiring a CDL is kinda iffy and I am glad Michelle has a CDL and medical card to back her up. In my opinion someone having a large truck and trailer like Michelle's ought to have a CDL for safety reasons.

And Michelle thanks for your service in the AF, I retired two years ago as a MSGT, 26 years of service.

From FMCSA website http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulati ... tion=383.5
"Commercial motor vehicle (CMV) means a motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles used in commerce to transport passengers or property if the motor vehicle—

(a) Has a gross combination weight rating of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds); or

(b) Has a gross vehicle weight rating of 11,794 or more kilograms (26,001 pounds or more); or

(c) Is designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver; or

(d) Is of any size and is used in the transportation of hazardous materials as defined in this section."

[Michelle]

Thanks BlueBolt for your service as well. Another angle a lot of guys is using to get around the 26,000 pound limit is to register their trucks as motor homes. This is easier to do with a large sleeper as most states require you to have certain amenities like sink, refrigerator, potty, things of that nature. You are seeing a lot of race car set ups doing that. It is very true that a lot of the laws are very ambiguous on this subject. That is one reason that the ATHS is working so hard to make the states and the federal arm of the DOT more aware that an old restored truck that is not hauling for hire is no different from a guy driving his 57 Chevy to a car show. It has taken years of effort to affect the changes but we are starting to see things get better with each passing year. One of my close friends was in California last year and as he crossed the scales he was instructed to go into the check stating for an inspection. He complied and when the inspector walked up to him standing by his truck he ask him "what are you doing in here, you are not commercial?" He had noted his historical vehicle plate as he walked up. My friend said "I was just doing what I was told to do." He jumped back in his truck and was on his way. So the message is getting through.

[ezernut9mm]

the operative phrase in bluebolt's link above is " used in commerce to transport passengers or property". as long as a vehicle is not used for "commerce" it is not considered a commercial vehicle.
that is why tom needs a cdl and michelle does not.
peace all.