ID this tranny... "I think" I found one
ID this tranny... "I think" I found one
I have been searching trying to figure out some info on this 3+1 tranny.. Anybody know the model?? Junk or OK??? Hydo clutch??? What type of tailshaft??
Other than a flywheel rebalance everything should bolt up to a 28oz 302 from the 300, correct???? Actually how are the 300's balanced???
http://binghamton.craigslist.org/cto/1016227380.html
Other than a flywheel rebalance everything should bolt up to a 28oz 302 from the 300, correct???? Actually how are the 300's balanced???
http://binghamton.craigslist.org/cto/1016227380.html
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Jason
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had that exact same truck, 4th is OD. does have hydraulic clutch. had 300 6 in mine, mileage was good but i always thought the clutch was weak and the 300 overpowered it.
for just driving the truck its ok.i dont think i would choose it for towing or hauling heavy stuff
for just driving the truck its ok.i dont think i would choose it for towing or hauling heavy stuff
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that trans is called an "srod" as said above it is a version of the toploader family the designation stands for slngle rail over drive ratio's are a little wierd but not bad ....... i had one hooked to 429 for awile worked good got good mpg w/ it some of the mid 70's granada's had them too w/ external linkage just like the top-loaders of old......... hiope this helps.........
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It could be a SROD, but most I have found had an Orion. The SROD has the shifter built in (hence the name: Single Rail Over Drive) and the Orion is basically a modified and regeared toploader 4 speed that has a bolt on shifter assembly with rods and levers like a regular 4 speed. Hawkrod
SROD:

Orion:

SROD:

Orion:
Thanks guys!!
I wonder what the chances I could use my current bell housing on that tranny. Another PA member added a 3+1 trans using a 3-speed bell....
http://fordtruk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3821&start=0
That would save adding a MC and messing with the flywheel...
I wonder what the chances I could use my current bell housing on that tranny. Another PA member added a 3+1 trans using a 3-speed bell....
http://fordtruk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3821&start=0
That would save adding a MC and messing with the flywheel...
Jason
Beer will change the world.
I don't know how but it will.
Beer will change the world.
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If the transmission has not been changed the following chart would not lead one to belive it's a srod.
RTS
RTS-A 3Spd O/D 83-on Ford, 2WD Alum. Top Cover
RTS-B 3Spd O/D 83-on Ford, 4X4 Alum. Top Cover
RUG
RUG-B 3Spd O/D 77-84 Ford, 2WD Iron Case, TRUCK
SROD
SROD-D 3Spd O/D 79-83 Ford, 2WD Alum. Case, TRUCK
SROD-E 3Spd O/D 79-83 Ford, 4X4 Alum. Case, TRUCK
RTS
RTS-A 3Spd O/D 83-on Ford, 2WD Alum. Top Cover
RTS-B 3Spd O/D 83-on Ford, 4X4 Alum. Top Cover
RUG
RUG-B 3Spd O/D 77-84 Ford, 2WD Iron Case, TRUCK
SROD
SROD-D 3Spd O/D 79-83 Ford, 2WD Alum. Case, TRUCK
SROD-E 3Spd O/D 79-83 Ford, 4X4 Alum. Case, TRUCK
Well, I think I'll keep my eyes peeled.. From what I have found searching today I can use my existing bell, clutch, ect ect.
I also understand the shift ratios are not the best but IMO one less gear is a plus and not needing to mess with hydo stuff is also a plus..
I also understand the shift ratios are not the best but IMO one less gear is a plus and not needing to mess with hydo stuff is also a plus..
Jason
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For what it's worth...
I have an all cast iron 3+1 in my '66. It is behind a warmed over 390 and has been there for ten years with no problems or issues. The 3+1 was a nuts and bolts swap, other than shortening the driveshaft, for the 3 speed that was in the truck originally. My 3+1 looks like the Orion trans that Hawkrod posted.
As I remember, the 3+1 was from a '77-'78 Granada or Monarch that had a 302 for power. I believe the all cast iron units were available in F-100's and Econolines in the late '70's also.
As previous posts stated the SROD and the aluminum cased 3+1's are very weak transmissions. Trust me on this.
Hope this helps.
Roger Carter
I have an all cast iron 3+1 in my '66. It is behind a warmed over 390 and has been there for ten years with no problems or issues. The 3+1 was a nuts and bolts swap, other than shortening the driveshaft, for the 3 speed that was in the truck originally. My 3+1 looks like the Orion trans that Hawkrod posted.
As I remember, the 3+1 was from a '77-'78 Granada or Monarch that had a 302 for power. I believe the all cast iron units were available in F-100's and Econolines in the late '70's also.
As previous posts stated the SROD and the aluminum cased 3+1's are very weak transmissions. Trust me on this.
Hope this helps.
Roger Carter
Roger, It sounds like you used your 3-speed bell??? Are the 3 & 4 speed bells the same????? Just making sure I could use my t-18 bell.
As far as the tranny it sound like I should look for a SMOD, the only cast iron 3+1 from the T170 series.... http://www.motivegear.com/tech_info/tra ... guide.html
So if I am reading this right the cast iron SMOD is the only truck 4-speed from '78 - '84 with the side mounted shifter.. Anything other four speed would be a aluminum SROD, aluminum TOD, T-18, T-19 all with the "direct" shifter.
As far as the tranny it sound like I should look for a SMOD, the only cast iron 3+1 from the T170 series.... http://www.motivegear.com/tech_info/tra ... guide.html
So if I am reading this right the cast iron SMOD is the only truck 4-speed from '78 - '84 with the side mounted shifter.. Anything other four speed would be a aluminum SROD, aluminum TOD, T-18, T-19 all with the "direct" shifter.
Jason
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Jason,
You are correct. I used the original 3 speed bell housing, along with the original throw out fork, bearing, clutch and pressure plate. I can't say for sure that the 3 speed and 4 speed bells are the same. I believe they are, but not 100% sure.
From the link you provided it looks like the SMOD is the trans you are after.
As I said earlier, my trans is from a Granada/Monarch, not a truck.
I also used the Granada shifter. A slight bend at the base of the handle made for a stock appearing install. Hurst used to offer a shifter for the SMOD trans also.
Roger
You are correct. I used the original 3 speed bell housing, along with the original throw out fork, bearing, clutch and pressure plate. I can't say for sure that the 3 speed and 4 speed bells are the same. I believe they are, but not 100% sure.
From the link you provided it looks like the SMOD is the trans you are after.
As I said earlier, my trans is from a Granada/Monarch, not a truck.
I also used the Granada shifter. A slight bend at the base of the handle made for a stock appearing install. Hurst used to offer a shifter for the SMOD trans also.
Roger
I have that transmission in my '64. Works pretty good, nice out on the highway. Cut my RPMs right down. Its an aluminum case and is top-shifted.
Since that truck has the 300-6, the gear ratios are as follows:
1st - 3.25
2nd - 1.92
3rd - 1.00
4th - .79
As you can see, 2nd to 3rd is a big jump. As far as I'm concerned, that's the bad thing about this transmission. Coupled behind my 292, going from 2nd to 3rd always kinda sucks.
If you need any more info about these trannies, let me know.
--Matt
Since that truck has the 300-6, the gear ratios are as follows:
1st - 3.25
2nd - 1.92
3rd - 1.00
4th - .79
As you can see, 2nd to 3rd is a big jump. As far as I'm concerned, that's the bad thing about this transmission. Coupled behind my 292, going from 2nd to 3rd always kinda sucks.
If you need any more info about these trannies, let me know.
--Matt
Just driving my truck.
I think I found one but it is in a '86. Info on the TOD says 84-85 but the '86 was built in late 85 so I hope it is a TOD.. I couldn't look under it as all of its wheels were removed and sitting in snow and mud but I plan to go back with the tractor so I can lift the truck and get some numbers off it. The price is right too, free... Maybe I'll just grab it and spin it in high to see if it is a OD...
Casey, Do you know if the "A" would also be used on the door tag, the '86's door tag had an A for tranny
Casey, Do you know if the "A" would also be used on the door tag, the '86's door tag had an A for tranny
Casey 65 wrote:If the transmission has not been changed the following chart would not lead one to belive it's a srod.
RTS
RTS- A 3Spd O/D 83-on Ford, 2WD Alum. Top Cover
RTS-B 3Spd O/D 83-on Ford, 4X4 Alum. Top Cover
RUG
RUG-B 3Spd O/D 77-84 Ford, 2WD Iron Case, TRUCK
SROD
SROD-D 3Spd O/D 79-83 Ford, 2WD Alum. Case, TRUCK
SROD-E 3Spd O/D 79-83 Ford, 4X4 Alum. Case, TRUCK
Jason
Beer will change the world.
I don't know how but it will.
Beer will change the world.
I don't know how but it will.
Try this site for info on the tranny. I hope it is some help.
http://www.ford-trucks.com/article/idx/ ... coder.html
I'm not finding much on the '86 tranny codes. but, for the price it would be mine. LOL
http://www.ford-trucks.com/article/idx/ ... coder.html
I'm not finding much on the '86 tranny codes. but, for the price it would be mine. LOL
Jason, for free you should take it regardless. I loved my TOD, you may also need to play around with different combo's of the "z" bar. Grab the mount on the frame while your under there and the driveshaft also, or at least measure it to see if you can use it. You will need the slip yoke from the tranny, or one from a c4 if I remember correctly.
Mine was behind a 390. I live in a very hilly area I really had no issues with it. Much more hilly than where you live. First is nice and deep, and the OD was a dream on the highway.
bob
Mine was behind a 390. I live in a very hilly area I really had no issues with it. Much more hilly than where you live. First is nice and deep, and the OD was a dream on the highway.
bob
Hey Bob, Hows everything? Good to see ya here. I almost e-mailed you on this, cool you replied.norville wrote:Jason, for free you should take it regardless. I loved my TOD, you may also need to play around with different combo's of the "z" bar. Grab the mount on the frame while your under there and the driveshaft also, or at least measure it to see if you can use it. You will need the slip yoke from the tranny, or one from a c4 if I remember correctly.
Mine was behind a 390. I live in a very hilly area I really had no issues with it. Much more hilly than where you live. First is nice and deep, and the OD was a dream on the highway.
bob
I should be all set with my clutch linkage, I'm hoping to just remove the "butterfly" bolts on my t-18 and install the O/D.. I plan to grab both driveshafts also.
With my shorter "120 WB, and the longer TOD tailshaft maybe I'll be lucky and be able to go to a one peice shaft, but not likely..
Jason
Beer will change the world.
I don't know how but it will.
Beer will change the world.
I don't know how but it will.
