ID this tranny... "I think" I found one

norville · Post by **norville** » February 27, 2009, 9:01 pm

I do stop in every now and then. I'm not completely out of the ford game. I didn't mind the 2pc shaft. It made getting it adapted easier. I only had to take a 2ft piece to the shop. I had to have him cut me a longer shaft, he reversed my carrier bearing and installed a new u-joint for $125

here's something I picked up for next summer.

I just spotted a TOD I may throw it in the bronco. I have to comment, the ZF trans are getting real cheap, especially 2wd ones, you may want to keep an eye out for one. Or even a ranger/mazda unit if your not gunna be beating it.

bob

ICEMAN6166 · Post by **ICEMAN6166** » February 27, 2009, 9:36 pm

norville wrote:I do stop in every now and then. I'm not completely out of the ford game. I didn't mind the 2pc shaft. It made getting it adapted easier. I only had to take a 2ft piece to the shop. I had to have him cut me a longer shaft, he reversed my carrier bearing and installed a new u-joint for $125

here's something I picked up for next summer.

I just spotted a TOD I may throw it in the bronco. I have to comment, the ZF trans are getting real cheap, especially 2wd ones, you may want to keep an eye out for one. Or even a ranger/mazda unit if your not gunna be beating it.

bob

nice Bronco.
i cant find a decent uncut early bronco or i would own it.
dont want one jacked up with the wheelwells hacked out.

jwh f-100 · Post by **jwh f-100** » February 28, 2009, 1:34 am

Coll rig, we had a old bronco hunting rig years ago, what a beast..

I was down in wilkes-barre tonight for a hockey game and then hit the River Street Jazz Cafe for a couple beers. Not a bad little joint and the band was great..

norville · Post by **norville** » February 28, 2009, 6:59 am

my folks have season tickets.

bob

jwh f-100 · Post by **jwh f-100** » March 2, 2009, 5:26 pm

Anyone know what is involved when removing the shifter? Any special tools?

I hope this week-end I can start removing this tranny.. Thanks!

norville · Post by **norville** » March 2, 2009, 6:09 pm

I think I just pulled the shifter off the stub. there was a little plastic piece holding there??? My unit was already moved.

bob

R Pope · Post by **R Pope** » March 3, 2009, 7:44 am

An interesting piece of knowledge, Jeep used that trans and built a top shifter that replaces the tin cover. You chuck all the stock shift mechanism and end up with a shifter farther forward, but Third and Fourth are in the wrong positions, Fourth is toward the dash.
The top will fit an SROD too. You have to tear them down to get the stock shift mechanism out first.

jwh f-100 · Post by **jwh f-100** » March 3, 2009, 2:45 pm

That is interesting... If this TOD does'nt hold up maybe I could use the shifter on a top loader, SROD, or a SMOD..

Here is some info I though was interesting... Click on thumbnail to view..

jwh f-100 · Post by **jwh f-100** » March 25, 2009, 9:40 am

Roger Carter wrote:For what it's worth...
I have an all cast iron 3+1 in my '66. It is behind a warmed over 390 and has been there for ten years with no problems or issues. The 3+1 was a nuts and bolts swap, other than shortening the driveshaft, for the 3 speed that was in the truck originally. My 3+1 looks like the Orion trans that Hawkrod posted.
As I remember, the 3+1 was from a '77-'78 Granada or Monarch that had a 302 for power. I believe the all cast iron units were available in F-100's and Econolines in the late '70's also.
As previous posts stated the SROD and the aluminum cased 3+1's are very weak transmissions. Trust me on this.
Hope this helps.
Roger Carter

Roger, Do you have a bench seat?? Just wondering about shifter location with the SMOD.. It looks like it may be a tight fit.

Anyone know what is avalible for aftermarket shifters?
Thanks

norville · Post by **norville** » March 25, 2009, 12:11 pm

Jason, a guy local to me has a TOD with bell and shifter for sale for $175.

I think you should be able to get one of those horseshoe or "C" shifters and make it work

bob

BMorrison · Post by **BMorrison** » March 25, 2009, 12:28 pm

IF it is the srod they are not bullet proof but no trans is .
I have a mustang one in my truck workes great .
cant belive the fuel mileage better truck than before .
If its cheep I would do it agin i still have an extra for the next slick .

jwh f-100 · Post by **jwh f-100** » March 25, 2009, 12:49 pm

norville wrote:Jason, a guy local to me has a TOD with bell and shifter for sale for $175.

I think you should be able to get one of those horseshoe or "C" shifters and make it work

bob

Thanks Bob. I also found a SMOD, the iron cased side mounted shifter. I may go look this weekend but I will keep that in mind.

If your looking for something for your bronco I know where there is two ZF trannys. One is 2wd and one is 4wd.. Both for small block.

norville · Post by **norville** » March 25, 2009, 1:16 pm

shoot me a PM on those tranny's price ect..

Personally I think the TOD is a better tranny. I do not know if the the smod had better spacing on the gears or not?

bob

itsmywifestruck · Post by **itsmywifestruck** » March 25, 2009, 10:10 pm

I have 2 of those TOD tranny's...I think. I have wondered about the durability of them. They came factory behind 300's...and I know people who just flog those trucks, and no prob...so it must be decent. I just wish it would fit behind my 223.

ROb

jwh f-100 · Post by **jwh f-100** » March 26, 2009, 6:59 am

itsmywifestruck wrote:I have 2 of those TOD tranny's...I think. I have wondered about the durability of them. They came factory behind 300's...and I know people who just flog those trucks, and no prob...so it must be decent. I just wish it would fit behind my 223.

ROb

Rob, matt2491 has one behind a 292. I think 292 and 223 bells are different but don't they use the same trannys? One of the guys with more brains than I may be able to comment/help.

Post by **Casey 65** » March 26, 2009, 7:54 am

Jason, Thanks for posting the thumbnails. I've been looking for a site with this info. you da man!

Post by **Greg D** » March 26, 2009, 8:39 am

223s & 292s - 4 bellhousings. The 6 & 8 each have a different bell on the engine end. 3 & 4 speed bells are different also. To the best of my knowledge all 3 speeds and all 4 speeds are the same.

ICEMAN6166 · Post by **ICEMAN6166** » March 26, 2009, 11:37 am

Greg D wrote:223s & 292s - 4 bellhousings. The 6 & 8 each have a different bell on the engine end. 3 & 4 speed bells are different also. To the best of my knowledge all 3 speeds and all 4 speeds are the same.

Thanks Greg, i did not know that, now i will have to go see what is what.
thought only the 6/8 were different bells.

DCarr · Post by **DCarr** » March 26, 2009, 11:50 am

Jason, on the shifter-it's real easy to modify for the bench seat. I had to do it for my Richmond shifter.
Just z'd it the required distance. I'll post a pic if you need one.

jwh f-100 · Post by **jwh f-100** » March 26, 2009, 12:55 pm

Greg D wrote:223s & 292s - 4 bellhousings. The 6 & 8 each have a different bell on the engine end. 3 & 4 speed bells are different also. To the best of my knowledge all 3 speeds and all 4 speeds are the same.

Interesting..
So if we knew what bell Matt has on his 292 ( a 3 speed or a 4 speed) there may be an answer to Rob's question. It would answer the bell question anyway, I guess it is possible other changes were made, pilot bearing, clutch, pressure plate...

If nothing else when I do the swap I do some measuring for comparison...

David, I'm thinking I'll be ok after seeing stronger66ratfink's toploader pics... thanks.